00:00:22 <alterEgo> err
00:00:24 <alterEgo> all
00:00:28 <ink> ciao!
00:00:32 <alterEgo> sleepy time for alter!
00:00:41 [QUIT] alterEgo quit: CASUAL SEX!
00:00:43 <air> no it aint
00:01:00 <ink> hehehehe
00:01:50 <lar1> ink
00:01:53 <lar1> Bed
00:01:55 <lar1> Now
00:01:56 <lar1> ;)
00:02:01 <ink> hehehe
00:02:06 <ink> bed sounds good about now
00:02:26 <air> i require an answer
00:02:41 <lar1> ink
00:02:46 <lar1> What was that UF thing?
00:02:55 <nate37> hmm
00:03:08 <ink> All your base are belong to us
00:03:10 <nate37> whatever happen to it?
00:03:13 <nate37> i never got one heh
00:03:27 <ink> to it?
00:03:36 <nate37> yea member you signed us up?
00:03:40 <ink> yeah
00:03:47 <ink> they want to know your name and stuff
00:03:51 <ink> and why you are cool
00:04:03 <ink> and if it's okay to make fun of us  :)
00:04:06 <ink> the ask that
00:04:08 <ink> hehehe
00:04:11 <lar1> ?
00:04:18 <ink> UF sent me mail
00:04:20 <ink> a poster
00:04:23 <ink> and nate one too
00:04:36 <ink> for a thing a while ago for nominating evil people
00:05:02 <lar1> You got a UF poster?
00:05:07 <ink> getting
00:05:11 <ink> they are sending it
00:05:17 <tirloni> can anyone access this host 'velvet.cs.washington.edu' port 80 ?
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00:05:29 <ink> hey
00:05:32 <ink> mmmmmm  sleep
00:05:35 <lar1> hah
00:06:22 <ink> "Casual Sex??"
00:06:24 <ink> hehehehehe
00:06:26 <ink> hahaha
00:06:35 <ink> funny metro
00:08:04 <air> sleep-: hey
00:09:22 <nate37> its almost as if ink got turned on by that ad... .
00:09:22 <air> tirloni: refused
00:09:27 <nate37> ink: >:)
00:09:37 <ink> gah!
00:09:42 <ink> you sux0r!
00:09:42 <nate37> Trying 128.95.219.128...
00:09:43 <nate37> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
00:09:45 <nate37> heh 
00:09:46 <ink> h00h00h00h00h00
00:09:51 <ink> h00+ h00+
00:09:57 <tirloni> shit
00:09:58 <tirloni> thanks 
00:09:59 <tirloni> heh
00:10:16 <ink> j00 sux0r!  1 w1ll r0x0r j00s b0x0rs!!!
00:10:17 <sleep-> whats new?
00:10:18 <ink> h00h00h00
00:10:37 ink should go to sleep
00:10:51 <nate37> umm
00:10:58 <nate37> rock his boxers?
00:11:02 <nate37> boxer shorts?
00:11:03 <ink> lofl!
00:11:03 <nate37> GOD INK
00:11:06 <nate37> hahahhehehehahaha
00:11:07 <air> sleep-: well all the little kids joined right before u so... :)
00:11:27 <sleep-> heh
00:11:34 <nate37> air: heh.. i technically i /joined before your session /joined :)
00:11:37 <sleep-> i was just getting whipped in q3 for a while
00:11:43 <nate37> sleep-: q2?
00:11:44 <ink> heh
00:11:47 <nate37> sorry i had to! :)
00:12:06 <ink> hah
00:12:29 <sleep-> nate: sorry, just have q3
00:12:43 <ink> d/l Q2!
00:12:56 <air> nate37_win: does that q2 work on windows?
00:13:24 <air> nate37_win: and since yer not gonna burn the cd just zip it up and let me download tonight
00:13:38 <air> nate37_win: and get rid of yer second client :)
00:13:54 <sleep-> q2 works in linux?
00:14:07 <air> ya
00:14:17 <ink> very well, I'll add
00:14:30 <nate37> heh
00:14:35 nate37 reads
00:14:41 <air> nate37_win: sleep and i can download tonight
00:14:41 <sleep-> hmm
00:14:46 <nate37> okay
00:14:51 <nate37> and stop talking to friggen _win heh
00:14:53 <nate37> ohh heh
00:14:55 <nate37> nate37:
00:14:58 <nate37> nate37: foo
00:14:58 <sleep-> where should I d/l it from
00:14:59 <nate37> hmm
00:15:04 <nate37> i'll zip it
00:15:06 <air> and then we can kick yer arse tomorrow
00:15:20 <nate37> heh
00:15:28 <air> without the video
00:15:41 <air> but with everything else
00:15:42 <nate37> root@co:/mnt/archive/junk# bzip2 pak0.pak
00:15:48 <nate37> its zipping
00:15:52 <nate37> heh
00:16:02 <air> especially a win GL client if u got
00:16:09 <ink> hehehehehe
00:17:18 <nate37> how can i make bzip2 go fast?
00:17:24 <nate37> heh
00:17:24 <air> nate37_win: does it?
00:17:42 <tirloni> buying a faster processor helps, heh
00:17:46 <sleep-> heh
00:17:54 <nate37> its done a whole MB out of 180
00:17:59 <nate37> but hmm
00:18:00 <nate37> heh
00:18:06 <nate37> doesn't seemm like its doing anything heh
00:18:29 <nate37> 15312 root      17   0  7800 7800   364 R       0 64.5  4.2   1:47 bzip2
00:18:32 <nate37> not all cpu time
00:19:18 <nate37> ahh it is
00:24:31 <sleep-> ok
00:24:33 <sleep-> time for more coffee
00:24:39 <ink> heh
00:24:53 <ink> crikey!
00:24:56 <ink> conan time!
00:25:22 <ink> brb
00:25:25 <ink> .5 hrs
00:25:37 <nate37>  heh i'm browsing the web
00:25:41 <nate37> and listening to an mp3
00:25:47 <nate37> and bzip2ing
00:25:48 <nate37> heh
00:25:53 <ink> hahaha
00:25:54 <nate37> no wonder it isn't going fast haha
00:26:06 <nate37> 15331 nate       3   0  5204 5204  5000 S       0  7.2  2.8   0:26 mpg123
00:26:06 <ink> well, ciao
00:26:07 <nate37> just note that
00:26:10 <nate37> 7.2% 
00:26:12 <nate37> of cpu time
00:26:14 <nate37> is mp3
00:26:17 <nate37> and NO skipping
00:26:21 <nate37> 400mhz celeron
00:26:28 <nate37> you going ink?
00:26:56 <ink> brb, .5 hrs
00:26:58 <ink> gone now.
00:28:30 <nate37> k
00:38:47 <air> bzip would go faster if it had that 5meg of ram
00:39:08 <air> and the 7% cpu
00:42:38 <air> nate37_win: done yet?
00:42:43 <nate37> ?
00:42:44 <nate37> umm
00:42:49 <nate37> heha
00:42:57 <air> i gotta goto sleep
00:43:00 <nate37> -rw-------   1 root     root     75132928 Mar  3 00:43 pak0.pak.bz2
00:43:02 <nate37> 75MB
00:43:12 <nate37> prolly clsoe to done
00:43:20 <nate37> -r-xr-xr-x   1 root     root     183997730 Feb 22 13:16 pak0.pak
00:43:21 <air> uhh
00:43:25 <nate37> that's orginal
00:43:28 <nate37> well just pak0.pak
00:43:31 <nate37> there is other stuff
00:43:33 <air> is pak0 the largest?
00:43:37 <nate37> yup
00:43:46 <air> how big are the other pak's
00:43:53 <nate37> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root     12992754 Feb 22 13:17 pak1.pak
00:43:53 <nate37> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root        45055 Feb 22 13:17 pak2.pak
00:43:59 <nate37> pak2.pak is required
00:44:00 <air> ok
00:44:02 <nate37> i don't think pak1.pak is
00:44:07 <nate37> but its deathmatch stuff
00:44:13 <air> those are ok
00:44:15 <nate37> plus there is miscillanios stuff
00:44:47 <nate37> and clients
00:44:54 <nate37> and stuff heh
00:44:54 <air> is there a win client?
00:45:49 <nate37> prolly
00:45:52 <nate37> not sure
00:49:32 <air> i hope there is
00:50:22 <air> cuz the NVdriver kernel mod allocates like 200meg of ram so i removed it
00:50:48 <air> and i dont wanna play with software rendering in linux
00:50:54 <nate37> heh
00:50:56 <nate37> why not?
00:51:12 <nate37> does NV support opengl?
00:51:27 <air> defiant has all the good stuff
00:51:38 <air> uhh ya
00:52:44 <sleep-> air: nv == nvidia?
00:53:14 <nate37> hmm
00:53:25 <air> yes
00:53:32 <sleep-> that work ok under linux?
00:53:36 <air> yup
00:53:49 <nate37> -r-xr-xr-x   1 root     root          89M Feb 22 13:16 pak0.pak.bz2*
00:53:50 <sleep-> is there source for the driver?
00:53:52 <air> u need to install the kernel mod so it has dri support
00:54:03 <sleep-> ic
00:54:21 <nate37> sami:x:1002:100::/:
00:54:21 <nate37> hmm who the fuck is that
00:54:21 <nate37> i never added him heh
00:54:24 <air> i dont think there is source which is why nv handles it instead of the dri project
00:54:28 <nate37> brand:x:1001:100:Brand Huntsman,,,:/home/brand:/bin/bash
00:54:32 <nate37> go ahead and log in
00:54:37 <nate37> its in /mnt/archive/junk
00:54:39 <air> but nv's page has files with 'src' in them on the download page
00:54:40 <sleep-> which iso should i get if i want to install RH7?
00:54:58 <nate37> eck
00:55:14 sleep- hates linux
00:55:26 <air> nate37_win: i added sami
00:55:27 <sleep-> i just need some thing to run 2.4 on
00:55:57 <air> sleep-: what card do u have?
00:56:22 <nate37> heh air
00:56:26 <sleep-> air: voodoo3
00:56:47 <air> sleep-: dri supports v3
00:56:54 <sleep-> yah
00:57:00 <sleep-> i use it to play q3a now
00:57:10 <sleep-> but i want something newer
00:57:47 <air> nate37_win: passwd?
00:58:08 <air> wait for the nv20
00:58:22 <sleep-> think they'll release specs for that/
00:58:22 <sleep-> ?
00:58:28 <sleep-> i want something I can write code for
00:58:39 <air> no
00:58:43 <nate37> air: i duno you changed it i thought
00:58:43 <sleep-> those bastard
00:58:45 <sleep-> s
00:58:52 <air> then get a radeon
00:58:56 <sleep-> ah
00:58:57 <sleep-> yah
00:59:01 <sleep-> you mentioned that
00:59:17 <air> nate37_win: oh i had an account?
00:59:59 <nate37> yea
01:00:03 <nate37> passwd already changed
01:01:15 <air> no bz2 for pak1?
01:01:56 <nate37> pak1 not ready
01:02:01 <nate37> i onlt did pak0
01:02:04 <nate37> pak0 biggest
01:02:14 <air> hmm could u tar gz the small grap
01:02:20 <nate37> doing pak2
01:02:29 <nate37> ermm doing pak1
01:02:54 <air> wtf is happyvalley
01:03:15 <nate37> heh iso image of stampede
01:03:30 <sleep-> is that q2 win32?
01:03:47 <nate37> ?
01:03:56 <nate37> its just .pak files sofar
01:06:58 <sleep-> i totally forget what q2 is even like
01:07:23 <sleep-> was the the one with all the disgusting body parts coming out of grinders and crap like that?
01:08:39 <nate37> heh
01:09:00 <nate37> 15390 ?        S      0:00 ftpd: p0wer.qzx.com: brand: IDLE
01:09:02 <nate37> air?
01:12:25 <air> im waiting
01:13:11 <air> i wanna type "mget pak0.pak.bz2 pak1.pak.bz2 othercrap.tgz" and then goto bed
01:13:46 <air> well
01:14:49 <nate37> heh
01:15:05 <nate37> just get 0 and 1
01:15:10 <nate37> hmm
01:15:11 <nate37> or
01:15:11 <nate37> hmm
01:15:35 <tirloni> air: make a list of files and wget -i <file_with_list>
01:15:50 <air> did u bz2 pak1 yet?
01:16:02 <nate37> doing some stuff
01:16:02 <nate37> yea
01:16:30 <air> tirloni: would be eaier if he did "tar zcvf othercrap.tgz dos/ players/ save/
01:16:45 <tirloni> heh
01:16:51 <tirloni> ya
01:17:01 <nate37> making tar
01:19:11 <air> i think game.so needs to be gz'd
01:20:00 <tirloni> don't you guys like to play with quakeworld ? I used to like it, heh
01:20:18 <nate37> last.tar.gz
01:20:20 <nate37> ermm
01:20:20 <air> what is it?
01:20:30 <nate37> last.tar.bz2
01:20:43 <nate37> i think it has rest of everything
01:20:48 <nate37> we'll sort out paths later
01:21:21 <tirloni> later all
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01:22:21 <air> so what is in last?
01:22:57 <air> do i just need last, pak0 and pak1?
01:23:23 <nate37> yup
01:25:27 <air> last.tar.bz2:                      ETA: 114:33    0.12/  4.42 MB  655.27 B/s   
01:25:43 <air> gonna be here for a while
01:25:45 <nate37> heh
01:26:35 <nate37> why so slow
01:26:45 <nate37> your lagged too :/
01:26:52 <nate37> 15614 ?        S      0:00 ftpd: p0wer.qzx.com: brand: RETR last.tar.bz2
01:26:53 <nate37> 15390 ?        S      0:01 ftpd: p0wer.qzx.com: brand: RETR gamei386.so
01:26:56 <nate37> that might be why heh
01:27:01 <air> yer connection sucks
01:27:38 <sleep-> there must be a fast warez site somewhere with those files
01:27:50 <air> gamei386.so contained the magic signature and im unable to download it
01:28:42 <air> is gamei386.so in last?
01:30:00 <nate37> yes it is
01:30:05 <nate37> heh
01:30:10 <nate37> sleep-: he is on dialup
01:30:22 <air> k
01:30:35 <sleep-> people still use dialup?
01:31:42 <nate37> hah
01:31:53 <nate37> only him.. .
01:32:04 <air> ok well im going to bed
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01:32:44 <nate37> p
01:32:46 <nate37> j/k
01:34:28 <sleep-> ehheh
01:34:35 <sleep-> ok
01:34:41 sleep- leaves to play q3a
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08:21:55 <trans> hello
08:22:18 <gREMLiNs> oo hey trans
08:22:36 <gREMLiNs> whaas wron with your serv
08:22:38 <gREMLiNs> imean router
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08:55:38 <trans> ?
08:55:46 <trans> oh damn he left
08:56:16 <trans> is anyone here?
08:56:41 <trans> oh umm... nm
09:06:41 <ink> hey all!
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09:47:39 <ink> hmmm\
09:47:46 <ink> how do I play flash files under linux?
09:49:39 <trans> hi ink
09:50:40 <ink> hey]
09:51:02 <trans> what's up?
09:51:07 <ink> not a whole lot
09:51:12 <ink> but I'm hungry now
09:51:15 <ink> mmm, breakfast
09:52:02 <trans> hehe
09:52:06 <trans> just had mine too
09:52:26 <ink> I want breakfast!
09:52:28 <ink> hmmm
09:52:34 <ink> maybe I should goand get some
09:52:36 <ink> )
09:53:05 <ink> yeah
09:53:06 <ink> brb
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11:33:28 <ink> rehi all
11:34:06 <ink> lar1: http://www.planetstarsiege.com/allyourbase/index.html
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11:42:44 <DraX> anyone know much about freevms
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11:58:17 <lar1> oic, ink
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11:58:41 <lar1> Is it some kindn of a videogame?
11:59:03 <lar1> ree ree
11:59:13 <ree> re lar1 =)
11:59:40 <ree> this is the very first font I've used that I could see your 1 is not a l hehe
12:01:06 <lar1> Hmm
12:01:29 <lar1> If I wasn't reged for so much shit, I'd change to lar1
12:01:32 <lar1> oops
12:01:34 <lar1> to lar even :)
12:01:38 <lar1> See it is reflex :)
12:01:44 <ree> hah
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12:05:32 <tirloni> hey ree lar1 
12:06:18 <lar1> Hey
12:06:28 <lar1> This "All Your Base" shit is very lame
12:06:36 <lar1> Not worthy of UFification
12:10:10 <lar1> Igh, the SF Chronicle has a poor-ass article on it
12:10:38 <lar1> IT WAS LOVELINEIFIED!?!?
12:12:42 <tirloni> what is this "all you base" thing ?
12:14:03 <lar1> Apperently a video game from the 80s was poorly translated from Japaneese to English.
12:14:15 <lar1> One of the phrases is "All your base belong to us"
12:14:32 <lar1> Some people apperently find that obsessively funny.
12:15:10 <tirloni> hmm, some ppl don't have what to do 
12:15:38 <lar1> Oh my goodness
12:15:55 <lar1> It *WAS* lovelineified
12:16:50 <lar1> That is very disturbing
12:16:59 <lar1> I should hope that was a prank
12:17:22 <ree> lar, isn't that annoying?
12:17:40 <ree> what are you reading the SF chron for? gay ads? hehe
12:18:11 <ree> even a efnet server changed its message to that
12:18:32 <tirloni> I can't understand it, heh
12:19:46 <ree> how are you today tirloni
12:19:48 <lar1> Well, I just found out today, so I'm a month late :P
12:20:10 <tirloni> fine, just a bit bored with this lame brazil's backbone
12:20:16 <tirloni> everything is slow
12:20:58 <tirloni> I'm downloading NetBSD at 1.70k/s, crap :(
12:22:39 <lar1> heh
12:24:13 <ree> lar, ohh my, who's the lucky man? 
12:24:19 <ree> <g>
12:25:49 <lar1> *THWAP*
12:26:20 <lar1> ree, I told you we should have used protection!
12:28:09 <ree> haha
12:28:13 <ree> burn!
12:28:27 <ree> no really, it burns, what std do you have?? hehe
12:30:29 <lar1> Ouch
12:30:44 <lar1> I'm conceeding here. :)
12:31:30 <ree> I thought we already did conceive
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12:33:28 <ree> hey tril
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12:35:06 <tirloni> guys, if I'm planning to develop an OS.. should I care about SMP at the beginning or can I leave it ? Is it easier and better to implement such feature at first ?
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12:35:20 <lar1> Well
12:35:27 <lar1> Leave space for it
12:35:38 <lar1> But don't focus on SMP in the begenning
12:35:57 <lar1> IE, add cpu number feilds to whatever structures may need it, stuff like that
12:36:21 <ree> don't develop a os =)
12:36:34 <lar1> Gah!
12:36:44 <ree> os dev is so 60's hehe
12:36:50 <lar1> Heresay!  Blasphomy!  Treson!
12:37:02 <lar1> Lets burn him at the bit!
12:37:16 <ree> you guys know that any operating system any of you start right now won't see the light of day in ten years
12:37:40 <ree> granted we actually do creative things with computers in ten years
12:38:12 <lar1> In ten years, you'll be on the streets begging for used RAM >;P
12:38:36 <ree> heh, it isn't a question on if I'll be on the streets, it's which streets =)
12:38:44 <ree> some other countries
12:38:51 <ree> or perhaps dist's society 
12:39:02 <lar1> hah!
12:39:16 <ree> writing a os yourself today is only useful for learning 
12:39:28 <ree> you need to develop a automated manner of development
12:39:35 <lar1> Mmmm, in an extent
12:39:39 <lar1> s/in/to
12:40:06 <ree> it's like learning
12:40:19 <ree> it's much more to our advantage to first learn how to learn
12:40:24 <lar1> Why on earth will anyone care about x86 asm in 10 years?
12:40:29 <ree> noone applies that to modern science anymore
12:40:34 <tirloni> lar1: thanks, got the idea
12:40:35 <ree> since they figure everything has been done for them
12:40:38 <lar1> We'll all be using Vapor or TUNES. :)
12:40:48 <lar1> tirloni:  np, hope it helps
12:40:53 <ree> tunes will be left behind so bad =)
12:41:14 <lar1> Have you looked into Froth on Vapor?
12:41:23 <lar1> That is a sweet system
12:41:35 <lar1> Yes, Froth, not Forth :)
12:41:54 <ree> vapour os?
12:41:57 <lar1> Yeah
12:42:03 <lar1> The LISP system
12:42:03 <ree> I studied that os
12:42:10 <ree> but I didn't think it used lisp 
12:42:14 <ree> I'm talking about vapour
12:42:17 <ree> what's vapor?
12:42:17 <lar1> It is coded in LISP
12:42:33 <ree> lisp is not going to make it
12:42:34 <lar1> vapor sourceforge net
12:43:25 <lar1> http://Vapour.sourceforge.net/
12:43:28 <lar1> Rather
12:43:34 <ree> heh
12:43:47 <lar1> Good greif!  I've been dropping the 'u'
12:43:53 <ree> yep
12:43:56 <lar1> I'm re-Americanizing!
12:44:00 <tirloni> Welcome to http://vapor.sourceforge.net/
12:44:04 <tirloni> We're Sorry but this Project hasn't yet uploaded their personal webpage yet.
12:44:08 <tirloni> he
12:44:16 <ree> it's vapour
12:44:24 <lar1> brb
12:44:28 <tirloni> re-americanizing ?
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12:45:17 <tirloni> what's great about single address space?
12:45:28 <ree> no need for context switches
12:45:30 <tirloni> I've seen several OSes that say they use it
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12:45:36 <ree> or reassigning registers
12:45:49 <ree> a switch between running applications can happen with a single jmp
12:45:59 <ree> -applications
12:46:07 <ree> running tasks, or whatever you want to call them
12:46:11 <ree> the current code that is running
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12:49:25 <ree> yeah
12:49:34 <ree> you'll be able to even use english or another language to program it
12:49:44 <lar1> heh
12:49:47 <lar1> Elucidate me
12:49:47 <ree> it's a input independant model
12:49:59 <ree> so it could use anything for programming itself
12:50:01 <ree> even itself
12:50:55 <ree> but it never stores the actual content it is working on internally
12:51:03 <ree> which is different from traditional ai
12:51:09 <ree> which moves around large blocks of data
12:51:21 <ree> our mind works differently than that
12:51:34 <tirloni> 1.6k/s and falling
12:51:35 <ree> it maps the thinking process in a way that the actual mapping develops our memories and ideas
12:51:36 <lar1> You've met Downix, haven't you?
12:51:43 <ree> downix?
12:51:45 <lar1> You remind me of him in a odd way :P
12:51:47 <ree> sounds familiar
12:51:52 <ree> hah, you asked that awhile ago
12:52:13 <tirloni> I'm feeling like Kursk
12:52:14 <tirloni> someone must rescue me
12:52:17 <tirloni> I'm sinking
12:52:27 <ree> this system could use a few bytes of memory to do billions of different calculations
12:52:40 <ree> without ever referencing the actual data it is working on
12:53:57 <ree> oses are utility in nature
12:54:10 <trans> when computers first cam out, everything was hardware and software wasn't considered important
12:54:16 <ree> that's why most current ai technology fails when ran on them or theorized on top
12:54:38 <tirloni> is there any OS that makes intensive use of AI today ?
12:54:39 <ree> eh?
12:54:43 <trans> then software started to gain importance and stuff
12:54:56 <trans> now it seems to have gone the other way
12:55:01 <ree> trans, the whole reason they developed computers further was to make way for software
12:55:05 <trans> peopele only consider software
12:55:22 <ree> trans, they needed a model of reprogramming that was cheap
12:55:23 <trans> hardware is just a nesecicity
12:55:33 <ree> tir, no
12:55:49 <ree> tir, it's like their is this distinction between computer scientist and ai philosophy
12:56:01 <ree> it would appear that 99% of the ai industry is computer illiterate 
12:56:19 <trans> there hasn't been hardly any development in PC archituecture
12:56:23 <ree> they code their programs in high level languages like lisp or some scripted language
12:56:26 <ree> even c++
12:56:39 <ree> trans, x86 is pathetic, so is all current computer hardware
12:56:40 <trans> processesors are faster and memory size is larger
12:56:50 <trans> exactly
12:56:57 <ree> I've been saying that forever heh
12:57:01 <trans> but no one thinks to improve those first
12:57:09 <ree> however, I think hardware should go to the way of being 'dumb'
12:57:12 <ree> or biological
12:57:15 <tirloni> the bad thing about x86 is that it support old processors like 8086.. market wants it that way
12:57:18 <trans> you have to get to the root of the problem
12:57:23 <ree> so that it itself can be reprogrammed
12:57:39 <ree> the root isn't computers
12:57:42 <ree> the root is the development process
12:57:50 <ree> we need nanotech + ai 
12:57:59 <trans> you have to introduce new consepts just as you try and do for software
12:58:08 <trans> well yeah
12:58:12 <ree> and we need to deliver both of those to the home
12:58:20 <ree> so that people themselves can develop their own everything
12:58:22 <ree> get rid of industry
12:58:28 <trans> but i mean like how can software be good if the machine is shit in the first place
12:58:30 <ree> no more reliance on others
12:58:40 <trans> the two must be deveoloped hand in hand
12:58:41 <ree> the ideas can be good
12:58:49 <trans> YEAH NO INDUSTRY!
12:58:56 <ree> the best way is to make it hardware or even computer independant
12:59:02 <tirloni> I bet a lot of scientists are working on AI the way you say ree, they just don't release their work I think.. It's impossible that big companies like IBM,Fujitsu,HP and a lot of companies from japan aren't working on this
12:59:11 <trans> that is what i'm working on ree
12:59:11 <ree> well, if we develop nanotech to the point where anyone at home can do it
12:59:21 <ree> same here
12:59:24 <ree> all at once heh
12:59:26 <trans> well not to the same extent as you
12:59:26 <ree> dist system =)
12:59:42 <trans> i don't think our current hardware is ready for dist
12:59:44 <ree> tir, impossible? heh
13:00:02 <ree> well, no, it'll need to change
13:00:07 <trans> dist as software i mean
13:00:10 <tirloni> ree: most of ppl don't want to develop their "own" everything, remember that
13:00:23 <ree> but the dist system will build itself enough to the point that better choices can be made
13:00:35 <ree> tir, they won't have to, the ai can do it for them
13:00:50 <ree> tir, the important part is that none of us have to have a society where we all rely on each other
13:01:00 <ree> look at how pathetic medical science is
13:01:06 <ree> only the rich survive
13:01:06 <trans> no
13:01:19 <trans> we don;t need people to develope thier own stuff
13:01:19 <ree> and even then
13:01:25 <ree> yes, we very much do
13:01:31 <trans> but we do need to educate the people
13:01:35 <ree> we need to get rid of this "expert" model
13:01:46 <ree> exactly, educate them so they can be free
13:01:56 <ree> none of us are free
13:01:58 <trans> ree: your medical system is shit because your so anti socialist
13:02:06 <trans> yeah
13:02:13 <trans> look at processors
13:02:27 <trans> the p4 performed worst than the p3 and thunderbird
13:02:30 <tirloni> ppl don't want to develop their own stuff, that's a fact
13:02:31 <ree> trans, even socialistic governments suck with medicine
13:02:32 <tirloni> less than 1% of the population has computer
13:02:34 <tirloni> less than 1% of ppl that have computers like it like us
13:02:39 <ree> tir, that will change
13:02:46 <ree> tir, and it can be COMPLETELY automated
13:02:50 <trans> but it "better" and has a higher "clock speed" so lets buy it
13:03:04 <ree> if they see what they can do
13:03:07 <ree> the extent of freedom
13:03:11 <ree> everything they produce is for free
13:03:17 <trans> we need a complete replacement for the PC architecture
13:03:17 <ree> they will definitely switch
13:03:39 <trans> the major problem with the PC architecture is compatability
13:03:44 <ree> we can place all of this work off on dist
13:03:58 <trans> there is so much software that only runs on PC so people buy the,
13:04:05 <tirloni> how many centuries until it happens ?
13:04:20 <ree> not one
13:04:57 <ree> every byte you add to dist, increases the level of possibilities by a magnitude
13:05:19 <ree> one byte can accomidate 256 values, two can accomidate 65k, three can 16 mill...
13:05:44 <tirloni> they're not going to ship biological computers until 2050 I'm sure
13:05:44 <tirloni> everything is in its early stages
13:05:44 <ree> there is no storage of values
13:05:52 <ree> without ai developing it
13:06:04 <ree> we could cut everything to ten or even five years
13:06:07 <ree> or less
13:06:09 <tirloni> ree: to do the ammount of compution that your system requires you need to wait for quantum computing
13:06:09 <tirloni> s/compution/computation
13:06:16 <ree> why?
13:06:20 <ree> our minds already do it
13:06:31 <trans> oh fuck it all 
13:06:33 <tirloni> our minds aren't programable
13:06:37 <trans> the whole world is screwed
13:06:39 <ree> yes, they are
13:06:42 <ree> but that's a different story
13:06:58 <trans> ree: they are just reconfigurable
13:06:59 <ree> dist is only maps
13:07:10 <ree> if you think minds aren't programmable, you're at a lost
13:07:13 <ree> how do you learn a language
13:07:20 <ree> how do you learn how to drink or eat
13:07:27 <ree> how do you learn how to learn?
13:07:53 <ree> our minds constantly use images that computers can't even begin to compute at the same speed
13:08:12 <ree> there is not a single computer model or software model that matches our power 
13:08:18 <tirloni> that's obvious
13:08:31 <tirloni> our brains are much more powerful than anything that exists
13:08:34 <ree> then why state that it isn't?
13:08:40 <ree> "our minds aren't programmable"
13:08:42 <tirloni> we'll never pass our minds
13:08:54 <trans> our minds are parallel
13:08:57 <trans> that is the key
13:08:57 <tirloni> create a computer that acts like a mind then
13:09:10 <trans> but our minds aren't really reprogrammable
13:09:17 <ree> that's stating that there is a catch 22 with understanding your own mind
13:09:20 <trans> they just get new data and stuff to work on
13:09:22 <tirloni> I'm sure I won't be alive to see it 
13:09:35 <ree> our minds are the ultimate reprogrammable systems
13:09:42 <tirloni> even doctors don't know how our minds works
13:09:59 <tirloni> they are learning it and get surprised all the time
13:10:05 <tirloni> we just don't have enough knownledge yet
13:10:18 <ree> the addage that we only use 8% of our minds is incorrect
13:10:19 <trans> yup
13:10:26 <trans> ture
13:10:32 <ree> why be pessimistic about it all?
13:10:40 <ree> you guys are the cause of the problem, not the solution
13:10:43 <trans> we use our whole mind but only part of it we have concious control over
13:10:51 <trans> i know
13:10:55 <trans> hahaha
13:10:58 <ree> if everyone in computer science was focused on this one issue, it'd be solved already
13:11:20 <trans> but they aren't and you know why!
13:11:31 <ree> just because we are human does not make us infinitely complex
13:11:35 <trans> because we aren't in control of our own field!!!!
13:11:45 <ree> well, about 90% of them are in it for money
13:11:47 <trans> it's the corperations
13:11:47 <tirloni> that's an issue for ppl in the medical area
13:11:48 <ree> or 99% probably
13:12:01 <ree> but you guys are just continuing the problem
13:12:05 <ree> by not being part of the solution
13:12:06 <trans> the ceos and all the fuckers who use us to make thier own money
13:12:22 <ree> if you think developing a "free os" will solve anything
13:12:22 <tirloni> we're infinitely complex, if we weren't doctors wouldn't be lost trying to decode dna
13:12:24 <trans> we are traped
13:12:43 <ree> tir, hah, we aren't lost decoding dna
13:12:49 <ree> trapped?
13:12:51 <ree> wtf heh
13:12:59 <ree> if you guys were in a war, it'd be over before you began
13:12:59 <tirloni> if they get lost with dna imagine with our brains
13:13:00 <tirloni> no no, we know what everything is for :)
13:13:13 <ree> WE ARE ALL DEAD
13:13:21 <ree> NOTHING ELSE FOR US TO DO BUT LIE DOWN
13:13:21 <tirloni> "let's change it cause it controls.. hmm.. I don't know"
13:13:27 <ree> WE'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND THE OTHER SIDE
13:13:32 <tirloni> just mapping it is not everything
13:13:52 <ree> so organized information isn't enough
13:13:55 <ree> what is?
13:14:11 <ree> knowing everything about every working part of every system isn't enough I guess
13:14:22 <ree> is there some need for a spiritual connection to understand it?
13:14:24 <trans> we need to take control
13:14:31 <ree> or maybe we need to ask permission first
13:14:33 <trans> and independant research platform
13:14:35 <ree> or wait forever
13:14:37 <tirloni> they know where everything are, not what's the purpose of gens and how they interact with each other
13:15:04 <ree> we've only been in computers for 40 years!
13:15:24 <ree> the past ten years we've just started mapping genomes and developing biology
13:15:41 <ree> saying that we'll never know is like stating that we'll never need more than 640k of memory
13:16:02 <ree> it's fine, I mean, it's up to you for you to believe what you want
13:16:14 <ree> but to believe we'll never understand something is grossly ignoring fact
13:16:28 <Roacho> ree: socialist are better than most. i mean, when you have governments on a global scale sharing medical information, and providing service without profit, you are getting decent service.
13:16:33 <Roacho> woacho
13:16:35 <Roacho> way off topic..
13:16:41 <tirloni> I'm not saying it's impossible just that it's going to take a lot of time and you will NEVER create something that can surpass our brains
13:16:52 <ree> never?
13:16:58 <ree> anyone ever say never say never?
13:16:59 <Roacho> didnt realize how far scrolled back i was..
13:17:07 <ree> haha roacho =)
13:17:17 <tirloni> yes, never :)
13:17:20 <Roacho> stopped to talk on the phone..
13:17:35 <ree> tir, I'll take this opportunity now, never ever say never =)
13:17:42 <Roacho> ree: you were talking about computers where the underlying hardware could be reporgrammed, right?
13:17:53 <Roacho> ech.. programmed, rather..
13:17:56 <ree> roach, yeah
13:18:03 <ree> using biological or nanotech
13:18:10 <Roacho> okay.. well, you're familiar with turing machines, right?
13:18:13 <ree> yep
13:18:21 <Roacho> okay, and nural nets, right?
13:18:25 <ree> yep
13:18:32 <ree> what they call neural nets at least
13:18:40 <Roacho> okay.. an idea i've be tossing around, but havent had tiem ti implement..
13:19:15 <Roacho> neurla net based on NAND logic gates, and a simple connection/signal flow system..
13:19:27 <Roacho> ech.. i cannot tpye..
13:19:31 <ree> I don't really follow the neural net logic
13:19:51 <trans> roacho: i was going to try something like that a while back too
13:19:59 <Roacho> well, at its simplest a neural network is a network of proccessign elements..
13:20:10 <trans> except i think i was alittle more lost on that topic than you
13:20:23 <Roacho> what function is used to compute, and function to translate values, and topology is all another matter..
13:20:48 <Roacho> NAND gates can eb assemebled into any other boolean circuit
13:21:00 <ree> my system uses self modifying machine code symbol maps
13:21:00 <ree> with jump structures
13:21:00 <ree> very simple
13:21:00 <ree> it never stores a single actual byte
13:21:00 <ree> but to be honest, I'm haven't studied the algorithms enough of artificial intelligence and etc
13:21:01 <ree> I don't believe in that entire philosophy
13:21:03 <ree> none of them use actual computer science
13:21:08 <Roacho> they can make an entire cpu/computer.. they can make a turing machine (if you have enough)
13:21:48 <ree> just grossly abstract algorithms
13:21:48 <ree> with some really poorly implemented IPC
13:21:48 <ree> like none of them have studied os design
13:21:57 <Roacho> so here is a foundation to build boolean circuits, allowing one to implement systems based on current design ideas, or to evolve a system/circuit.
13:22:30 <trans> what was i thinking about again?
13:23:13 <Roacho> ?
13:23:32 <Roacho> ree: do you have any docs on this system. it sounds interesting.
13:23:56 <ree> hmm
13:24:10 <ree> lagged here
13:24:39 nate37 yawns
13:24:47 <ree> wow, that was weird heh
13:25:45 <ree> roacho, I'm working on them right now heh
13:25:54 <ree> it's going to be a lifetime project
13:26:05 <tirloni> chilli peppers rules uh
13:26:13 <ree> trying to build a society actually
13:26:13 <ree> www.dist.org/about/
13:26:16 <tirloni> "road tripping" too good
13:26:17 <tirloni> heh
13:26:34 <ree> I'm stuck with r&b and pop now
13:26:38 <ree> I use to listen to alternative
13:26:48 <tirloni> r&b ?
13:26:54 <ree> I figure the only difference is that the pop and r&b artists are paid more
13:27:00 <ree> rythm and blues
13:27:13 <ree> eminem is sorta under r&b
13:27:16 <tirloni> I've every kind of music here, lot of them
13:28:00 nate37 burps
13:28:04 <ree> someone needs to make a tetris that uses vi like keybinding
13:28:04 <tirloni> eminem is under r&b ?
13:28:12 <ree> classified 
13:28:15 <ree> rap/r&b
13:28:22 <ree> I don't think of his music as real rap though
13:28:25 <tirloni> hmm, eminem sucks
13:28:31 <ree> nah, I like him
13:28:33 <trans> oh man
13:28:34 <tirloni> a dump guy with a microphone
13:28:37 <nate37> Stan is ok... .
13:28:41 <trans> elimintated before i get a turn
13:28:56 <ree> tir, um, you just talked about 99% of that industry =)
13:29:04 <trans> so
13:29:05 <nate37> haha
13:29:18 <nate37> radiohead is cool
13:29:23 <nate37> and black sabath
13:29:26 <nate37> and motorhead
13:29:28 <nate37> and dream theater
13:29:29 <tirloni> ya, radiohead is cool too
13:29:30 <ree> I really don't think intelligence has anything to do with what music we listen to
13:29:35 <nate37> and genesis
13:29:37 <nate37> heh
13:29:43 <nate37> and spock's beard
13:29:44 <nate37> heh
13:29:57 <tirloni> ree: eminem just says shit
13:30:07 <Roacho> tirloni: lotsa ppl just say shit.
13:30:10 <ree> I don't care what he says
13:30:17 <ree> I don't listen to lyrics
13:30:19 <nate37> ree: well if you look at poetic sides of things.. then your wrong.. if its pure melody.. then yes
13:30:29 <nate37> heh
13:30:33 <ree> nate, it's all relative
13:30:42 <Roacho> i like mindless self indulgence, george clinton and the parlaiment funkadelic, reef, Gandharvas, incubus
13:30:50 <ree> several tunes, a few words here and there
13:31:01 <ree> some of these "musicians" come up with their stuff in a matter of minutes
13:31:01 <nate37> nate@co:~/stampede/installer/hybrid/src$ mpg123 ~/mp3/black_sabbath/ironman.mp3
13:31:03 <nate37> 8)
13:31:08 <ree> like dave mathews band
13:31:14 <nate37> phish is cool
13:31:15 <ree> the guy thought up something like 6 songs in 48 hours
13:31:17 <nate37> and.. grateful dead
13:31:21 <nate37> heh i like alot of stuff :)
13:31:32 <tirloni> well, I listen to the lyrics and listening to ppl saying bullshit isn't something that I like
13:31:43 <ree> it's just words
13:31:48 <tirloni> eminem doesn't even have a brain
13:31:50 <ree> spelled with letters of the alphabet
13:31:58 <trans> sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't
13:32:00 <tirloni> wants to call attention and don't know how
13:32:02 <ree> he's the only one that raps on multi levels
13:32:05 <Roacho> ree: no, it's more than that..
13:32:07 <tirloni> in fact, he knows how
13:32:16 <ree> roacho, I'm just saying what I think it is
13:32:28 <tirloni> everybody listen to him, heh.. he won a grammy, goddam
13:32:30 <ree> tir, he doesn't want attention, he wants money
13:32:36 <ree> tir, he lived in a frigging trailer park
13:32:39 <ree> trailer parks suck
13:32:58 <Roacho> ree: those  wrods have meaning, but you can take it as funny, or take it is serious yet true, or serious and wrong.. but no one will stop him from doing what he does..
13:33:01 <ree> again though, you're talking about everyone you listen to too
13:33:16 <Roacho> ree: or, i suppose, you can ignore it all..
13:33:18 <ree> roacho, words only have meaning if you give them meaning
13:33:23 <ree> exactly =)
13:33:34 <ree> if you become emotionally attached
13:33:34 <trans> but some people do give them meaning
13:33:36 <ree> that is up to you
13:33:50 <ree> is that why we read books?
13:33:51 <trans> whether the author intended to or no
13:33:53 <ree> or watch movies
13:33:57 <ree> someone else's meaning?
13:34:07 <trans> man
13:34:10 <ree> or do we read/watch them so we can entertain ourselves and give new meaning to our own ideas
13:34:18 <trans> i'm not letting computers buy next time
13:34:18 <tirloni> ree: to make money you need ppl's attention
13:34:34 <ree> tir, so eminem is wrong, but your bands aren't?
13:34:41 <trans> it's taken like 5-10 minutes for the computers to play a round without me
13:35:21 <trans> scorched earth is fun
13:35:38 <tirloni> ree: exactly. eminem is a product of this dum society who don't have any education and don't care about what they listen/watch
13:35:46 <tirloni> s/dum/dumb
13:35:57 <ree> tir, a product, doesn't make him dumb, just a product of that environment
13:36:00 <trans> yeah tir
13:36:07 <nate37> hmm less is more complex then i thought heh
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13:36:11 <ree> so if you ignore that environment, it'll go away?
13:36:20 <trans> it's all about influence
13:36:22 <nate37> has like 3 binaries plus scrip files it uses heh
13:36:24 <ree> let's not have anyone from a dumb environment become musicians or better themselves
13:36:40 <tirloni> well, he is dumb as a product or not.. in fact, he must not be domb, he steals ppl's money w/o them knowning this so he's smart :-)
13:36:43 <ree> ohh wait, there goes half the recording industry
13:37:05 <ree> the only stealing going on is at the recording industry and prices of media
13:37:14 <trans> finally
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13:37:19 <ree> none of those people had guns held to their heads
13:37:19 <trans> round is over
13:37:24 <ree> re lar =)
13:37:29 <trans> hi lar!
13:37:33 <trans> mylar
13:37:40 <trans> ahahaha
13:37:56 <nate37> heh he did that one time 8)
13:39:39 <tirloni> eminem,britney spears, n'sync, backstreetboys.. the same shit.. made to sell their own image and cd's.. lots of
13:39:58 <ree> the entire industry is about money and image
13:40:10 <trans> just like th computer industry!
13:40:10 <ree> without either, you wouldn't know any band you listen to
13:40:15 <ree> yes trans
13:40:20 <ree> just like any industry
13:40:26 <ree> that's the definition of 'industry'
13:40:26 <trans> money driven = bad
13:40:35 <ree> not bad
13:40:37 <trans> DESTROY THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY!
13:40:39 <ree> just not smart
13:40:40 <trans> very bad
13:40:54 <ree> there is no bad or good =)
13:41:00 <ree> just individuals like you and me
13:41:03 <trans> just not progresive
13:41:17 <tirloni> ree: that's why it's called "industry".. to make goods for selling
13:41:27 <ree> tir, that's what I just said heh
13:41:33 <trans> the goal is to make money versus bettering the technology or the why we live or somehting
13:42:12 <tirloni> well, industry is that, we can't change it.. only by educating ourselves to not fall into industry's temptations
13:42:16 <ree> so you all like to talk it down
13:42:22 <ree> but don't want to make a difference
13:42:34 <ree> there's that word again
13:42:37 <ree> can't, never, ...
13:43:00 <ree> you should work for the us government tirloni =)
13:43:05 <ree> fit right in heh
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13:43:31 <ree> re ink
13:43:43 <ink> whats up?
13:43:55 <ree> talking about industry
13:44:01 <ink> cool
13:44:29 <ree> everyone seems to hate it, but doesn't want to try and change it =)
13:44:41 <ree> it's sort of like fat loss
13:44:50 <ree> everyone wants to do it, but doesn't want to do it
13:44:59 <tirloni> are you sugesting to us to go out and burn industries ? 
13:45:01 <ree> they don't want the cost of trying it
13:45:23 <ree> well, I'm suggesting that we all go out together and try to do what we think will work
13:45:28 <ree> no matter the restriction
13:45:30 <ree> or cost
13:45:43 <tirloni> to do what ? what will work /
13:45:52 <nate37> re ink
13:46:04 <ree> well, sitting on our asses talking about the possibility of doing won't do it =)
13:46:37 <ink> hehehe
13:46:48 <ink> uh-oh
13:46:51 <tirloni> tell me a solution, I can't act w/o thinking :)
13:47:00 <ink> heh
13:47:10 <ree> hehe
13:47:13 <ink> be ironic...
13:47:20 <ree> well, of course I have a personal opinion on the subject
13:47:22 <ink> take lighters and all their money
13:47:25 <ree> using dist to develop a society =)
13:47:30 <nate37> heh my other computer beeps when there is a notice
13:47:33 <ree> we'll need land 
13:47:34 <nate37> (nate37_win)
13:47:38 <ink> then use the money as kindeling and light the building ablaze woith the lighters
13:47:52 <ink> heh
13:47:59 <nate37> did you know that @home disallows more then 2 irc clients (bots or otherwise) connected?
13:48:08 <tirloni> LOL
13:48:13 <ink> hahaha
13:48:14 <nate37> and they don't "allow" "VPN and/or ip tunneling"
13:48:26 <ink> nate37: I need an account on yer server
13:48:32 <ink> must open irc connections!
13:48:34 <nate37> yea.. its currently test machine
13:48:36 <ree> nate, that's the default contract
13:48:38 <nate37> then becomes server
13:48:45 <ree> nate, you can change the clausess
13:48:46 <ree> -s
13:48:52 <ink> heh
13:49:23 <nate37> heh i don't wanna pay 2000 dollars a month for an @work account where i only get a few peices of mail a day and very low bandwidth (nearly just me viewing it locally) webserver
13:49:36 <ink> heh
13:49:36 <ree> 2000 dollars? hehe
13:49:43 <ink> well
13:49:55 <ree> someone is getting dry humped =)
13:50:06 <nate37> heh
13:50:09 <tirloni> broadband companies destroy what the technology (adsl/cable) has to offer with a lot of restrictions
13:50:09 <tirloni> dynamic ip, firewalls, proxies, etc
13:50:12 <ink> my isp allows masqing and networking etc, but they disclaim themselves fotr you fucknig yourself over
13:50:45 <ink> if you don't do it rihgt  :)
13:51:20 <ree> well, aol was banned from a lot of efnet servers
13:51:24 <tirloni> they should give a connection and that's all.. just like dialup but faster
13:51:28 <ree> so I guess @home is trying to prevent the same situation
13:51:29 <ink> heh
13:51:42 <ree> not like internet technology isn't extremely poor
13:51:52 <ink> heh
13:52:19 <trans> hahaha
13:52:38 <ree> some of the worst technology ever devised heh
13:52:42 <ree> brb
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13:52:49 <nate37> hmm
13:52:56 <nate37> i do have a webserver and stuff
13:53:00 <trans> my bot is still alive!
13:53:03 <ink> you think you can just float around doing all those thing you do, y'know, floating around, causing trouble, but you better read the book!  read the book!
13:53:05 <nate37> that condradicts the contract
13:53:13 <tirloni> everything is bad, heh
13:53:16 <nate37> but its low bandwidth... usually me when i'm out somewhere
13:53:46 <nate37> and i do tunnel occasinly.. like if i have my computer someplace else.. and i will tunnel to my local machien at home
13:53:48 <nate37> heh
13:54:01 <trans> ree is just gettin ahead of himself
13:54:03 <trans> that's all
13:55:18 <ink> wow, it went back to simple
13:55:37 <nate37> ?
13:55:37 <ink> crazy phish
13:55:43 <ink> crazy concert
13:55:46 <nate37> ?
13:55:54 <ink> simple == cool song
13:56:04 <ink> simple turned into icculus
13:56:11 <ink> and it went back to simple
13:56:20 <ink> interesting transitions
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13:56:28 <ink> ree hi
13:56:30 <ink> )
13:56:39 <ree> re heh
13:57:02 <ree> single white phone line seeking second single white phone line
13:57:02 <nate37> what is PC-Tools?
13:57:23 <ink> "Casual Sex?"
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13:58:00 <ree> hey smiles
13:58:06 <Smiles> hry
13:58:11 <Smiles> er hey
13:58:31 <Smiles> anyone seen ruiner lately?
13:58:42 <trans> who is someone who has displayed an extravagance of courage
13:58:48 <nate37> Smiles: yea
13:59:02 <nate37> Smiles: i think he went looking for you.
13:59:06 <trans> someone who tried togo against a wrong and suffered for it
13:59:09 <Smiles> nate: when did you see him last?
13:59:14 <nate37> Smiles: last night
13:59:17 <Smiles> argh
13:59:20 <trans> i have to do an essay on them
13:59:21 <nate37> why?
13:59:31 <Smiles> trying to get a hold of him
13:59:38 <Smiles> I want to go see him tomorrow
14:00:00 <nate37> ah
14:00:01 <Smiles> trans: what about Martin Luther King Jr.
14:00:11 <trans> too popular
14:00:15 <trans> but someone like that
14:00:15 <nate37> Smiles: i think he was going over to your place today
14:00:16 <ree> he didn't really suffer
14:00:25 <trans> well no suffer
14:00:27 <ree> minus getting shot
14:00:35 <nate37> heh
14:00:39 <trans> just spoke out
14:00:48 <nate37> he had a bomb explode by his house
14:00:53 <nate37> and got arrested a bunch of times
14:00:54 <ree> I think it's more interesting to write about someone who suffered from the result of trying to go against a "wrong"
14:01:06 <trans> yeah
14:01:16 <trans> well it can be either
14:01:19 <trans> i just need someone
14:01:32 <trans> i was thinking socrates but there was no real wrong
14:01:39 <Smiles> sorry back now
14:01:46 <trans> he just got convicted of coruption of the youth
14:01:55 <trans> and executed for it
14:01:55 <ree> heh, how about galileo
14:01:59 <ree> that's perfect
14:02:00 <trans> oh yeah!
14:02:13 <trans> well he repented but still
14:02:17 <ree> he was blinded by them for saying that the earth wasn't the center
14:02:33 <trans> thanks ree
14:02:55 <ree> hehe, np
14:03:07 <Smiles> I'm wondering how ruiner is going to show up at my place without directions...
14:03:14 <Smiles> he can't be that smart
14:03:21 <nate37> mapquest prolly
14:03:35 <Smiles> I guess I got to go home
14:03:42 <nate37> yea 
14:03:50 <nate37> knowing him he'll also rob your place lol
14:03:54 <nate37> better hurry home... 
14:04:03 <Smiles> bye everyone, if ruiner gets on, tell him my OS assignment was awesome
14:04:10 <Smiles> thanks nate
14:04:21 <nate37> k
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14:04:22 <nate37> n/p
14:04:23 <ree> hah
14:04:25 <nate37> hahahaa
14:04:25 <ree> os assignment?
14:04:36 <nate37> you do know i had NO clue what i was talking about? :)
14:04:45 <ree> always nate =)
14:04:58 <nate37> heh i hope i made him leave work or whatever early :)
14:12:14 <tirloni> has anyone read '1984' from Orwell ?
14:13:03 ink has
14:13:05 <nate37> nope.. i should
14:13:36 <tirloni> I just bought it yesterday.. 
14:13:36 <tirloni> ink: cool ?
14:13:46 <ink> yeah
14:13:49 <ink> cool
14:13:50 <ree> http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1630galileo.html
14:13:50 <lar1> 'Tis ink!
14:13:50 <ink> )
14:13:54 <ink> yep
14:13:59 <tirloni> nice, I'll receive it on monday I hope
14:16:59 <nate37> damn i'm getting alot of pr0n spam recently heh
14:17:07 <ree> now that's english
14:17:14 <ree> too bad we don't care much about it anymore
14:20:35 <ree> it's made spectacle about who can pronounce or use it improperly heh
14:20:49 <ree> ALL OUR BASE BELONG TO US
14:21:25 <trans> ree: thanks
14:22:47 <trans> clear
14:22:50 <trans> ok fuck
14:23:11 <tirloni> heh
14:26:33 <ink> all your base ARE belong to us
14:27:41 <trans> you know those mini cds?
14:27:47 <ink> yeah?
14:28:03 <trans> do they have drive are only big enough to take them
14:28:31 <trans> like a half-sized cdrom drive
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14:29:07 <trans> hi grem
14:29:12 <gREMLiNs> hiii trans
14:29:17 <ink> hey
14:29:20 <gREMLiNs> OOo
14:29:22 <gREMLiNs> inkyyyy
14:29:39 <trans> or do you know of a low-profile cdrom drive that i could use in my own projects
14:29:40 <gREMLiNs> trans: did ya fixed yar router?
14:29:49 <trans> what is wrong with it?
14:30:32 <gREMLiNs> it doesnt work properly?
14:30:50 <trans> like the cd drive in a playstation.  could i get a drive like that to put in a similar sized device?
14:31:01 <trans> grem: work like a charm
14:31:26 <trans> why?
14:32:22 <trans> should i assume you don't know of one, ink?
14:32:48 <ink> of a player for such CDs?
14:33:38 <trans> or of a player that plays full sized CDs which can be put into larger devices
14:34:48 <ink> hmm
14:35:04 <ink> I don't get what yer saying
14:35:26 <trans> i want to make like some kind of computer device right
14:35:38 <trans> and i want to have a CD drive in it right
14:36:02 <ink> right
14:36:14 <trans> but the device doesn't have the space or power or heat disapation to take like a pc cd drive
14:36:25 <ink> ah
14:36:32 <ree> make your own cd drive then
14:36:34 <ree> and cds 
14:36:36 <ink> does it need to read data cds?
14:36:42 <ree> research the manufacturing process
14:36:43 <trans> there are cd drives in gaming systems
14:36:46 <ink> or just audio
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14:36:50 <ree> come up with something that can be done at home 
14:36:51 <trans> data
14:36:55 <ink> ah
14:36:55 <ink> hmmm
14:36:56 <negotive> hey ree
14:37:01 <ree> hey nego
14:37:32 <negotive> anything newe
14:37:34 <negotive> -e
14:37:35 <trans> what kinda of setup do they have?  are those custom drives? or can you get the internal parts?
14:39:10 <ink> custom I believe
14:40:27 <gREMLiNs> trannsss
14:40:29 <gREMLiNs> Trying 209.53.48.74...
14:40:29 <gREMLiNs> telnet: connect to address 209.53.48.74: Operation timed out
14:40:29 <gREMLiNs> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host
14:40:39 <gREMLiNs> and bot isnt comming to irc
14:40:44 <trans> oh i've completely changed my network
14:40:51 <trans> i re-installed
14:40:58 <gREMLiNs> kmeee
14:41:03 <gREMLiNs> no mine good ol bot?
14:41:03 <trans> 2 computer on that ip
14:41:16 <trans> the new one running obsd had 21 and 80 open
14:41:38 <trans> the other computer that you used to use has fbsd and runs an irc server
14:42:03 <gREMLiNs> 1) is turkey alive
14:42:13 <gREMLiNs> 2) is mine acc on turkey alive
14:42:25 <gREMLiNs> 3) is mine bot on mine acc on turkey alive?
14:43:32 <trans> 1) tukey is alive
14:43:35 <trans> 2) no
14:43:42 <trans> 3) no
14:43:48 <gREMLiNs> =>3)no
14:43:58 <trans> 4) turkey.fishbones.org doesn't exist anymore
14:44:07 <gREMLiNs> ohhhh
14:44:10 <trans> 5) turkey is only irc
14:44:21 <trans> 6) tucotuco is http and ftp
14:44:35 <trans> 7) i don't want to open telnet again because of security resons
14:44:48 <gREMLiNs> trans: what security resons with telnet???
14:45:12 <gREMLiNs> 8.1/2 .. can i bot again?
14:45:12 <trans> 8) everything is accessed through 1 ip which is set to resolve for jabberwocky.fishbones.org
14:45:33 <trans> i don't know
14:45:49 <trans> that bot of your took up 30% cpu time
14:46:01 <trans> i wrote one that takes 2%
14:46:11 <gREMLiNs> i wrote one that takes 0%
14:46:21 <gREMLiNs> and takes memory as much as telnet
14:46:40 <gREMLiNs> but funny thing with eggdrops is that they take idle time
14:48:12 <trans> no more cpu time left
14:48:19 <trans> i take too much as is
14:48:26 <gREMLiNs> oh
14:48:27 <gREMLiNs> ok
14:50:26 <trans> sorry
14:53:58 <ree> hehe
14:56:22 <ree> negotive, writing stuff for dist
14:56:40 <negotive> dist?
14:56:51 <ree> the organization I'm starting
14:56:55 <ree> www.dist.org/about/
14:58:00 <negotive> cool
15:00:09 <negotive> ree: goog luck with it
15:00:16 <nate37> how many people are actually with dist? :)
15:00:29 <ree> 7 billion 
15:00:32 <ree> they just don't know it yet =)
15:00:36 <negotive> )
15:00:52 <ree> the press needs a few more months to print all of the door flyers
15:00:53 <nate37> hah
15:01:00 <nate37> uh huh
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15:01:26 <ree> well, once it is in full motion
15:01:39 <ree> I expect like a hundred people to be really interested in it
15:01:47 <ree> people I've known for awhile on irc and etc
15:01:52 <ree> grr, brb
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15:08:05 <ink> back
15:08:10 <ink> was mowing lawn  :/
15:08:16 <nate37> heh
15:08:19 <nate37> p
15:08:22 <nate37> no lawn here :/
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15:14:16 <ink> lucky sob
15:14:23 ink hates murdering the lawn
15:23:26 <trans> ink:
15:23:30 <ink> yeah?
15:23:46 <trans> sorry what were you saying about the cd drive and custom?
15:23:51 <ink> oh
15:23:53 <ink> okay...
15:24:30 <ink> they have custom cd designs because they have to fit their case and their design
15:24:44 <ink> I'm pretty sure they have a team or something to work on that
15:24:50 <trans> oh
15:24:50 <ink> because I've seen some weird designs
15:24:56 <trans> yeah me too
15:24:57 <ink> like, the sega cd is kinda weird
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15:25:10 <ink> the sega cd I, that is
15:25:22 <ink> that had the opening and closing drawer
15:25:45 <ree> *** - various antisocial behavior are all off-topic and may result in
15:25:45 <trans> do you think it is possible to buy like the inards of a cd drive that is ment to be put in a case or something
15:25:46 <ree> *** - your being barred from access.
15:26:03 <ree> heh
15:26:06 <ink> heh
15:26:07 <trans> ree: ?
15:26:07 <ink> perhaps
15:26:12 <trans> oh
15:26:15 <trans> ok
15:26:17 <trans> poo
15:26:19 <ree> I thought irc WAS anti-social
15:26:24 <ink> hahaha
15:26:54 <trans> when did you get that message>
15:26:55 <trans> ?
15:27:11 <ink> when you log on, no?
15:27:17 <trans> oh
15:27:21 <ink> before the motd, I think
15:27:21 <ree> yeah, server message
15:27:29 <ree> that I believe is the motd
15:27:30 <trans> never notice it before
15:27:37 <ink> heh
15:27:44 <ink> well
15:27:56 <ink> that and the thing about the author after which the server is named
15:28:01 <ree> anti social behavior 
15:28:06 <ink> hehehe
15:28:12 <ree> they should not call this open projects
15:28:15 <ree> then
15:28:37 <ree> like calling mc donalds a health food store
15:28:51 <ree> because they sell fruit pies
15:29:06 <ink> hehehehehe
15:29:13 <ink> mmm, deep-fried pie!
15:29:21 <ink> (sarcastic)
15:29:27 <trans> i was orignially thinking like flash cards for my original storage plan
15:29:33 <trans> but they are expensive
15:29:38 <ink> hmm
15:29:55 ink knows a person who makes flash cards...
15:29:57 <trans> and it would be to expensive and cumbersome to make my own cards with like eproms and stuff
15:30:03 <ree> trans, making hardware?
15:30:03 <ink> ...but they are for spanish vocabulary   :P
15:30:09 <ree> I have a lot of ideas for hardware design =)
15:30:19 <trans> ree: what else do i do except oses
15:30:29 <ree> not sure, what else? heh
15:31:03 <trans> maybe other bouts of system programming
15:31:21 <ree> well, doesn't sound like you want to start really low level with hw dev
15:31:29 <trans> lets just say i am equally into hardware design as software design
15:31:33 <ree> I'd like to start developing circuits and etc on my own
15:31:44 <ree> develop fast cheap techniques
15:31:45 <trans> oh it's fun
15:32:02 <trans> the lowest i've gone i'd say it designing a processesor
15:32:13 <ree> how?
15:32:30 <trans> processors are almost easier than computers in some ways
15:32:46 <ree> I don't believe in charging for technology
15:32:59 <trans> they are just like a uniprocessor system but all on a chip
15:33:05 <trans> and they use an alu as the cpu
15:33:12 <ree> so I hope to design some method for construction that is free
15:33:13 <ree> that's why I am looking into sound + nanotech with a friend
15:33:20 <ree> using sound waves/doppler effect (force field) to develop nanotech 
15:33:27 <trans> cool
15:33:40 <ree> instead of the actual physical construction that is so ungodly slow
15:33:56 <trans> yeah that is a big problem with opening the hardware communityr
15:34:07 <ree> then once we deliver this to the home
15:34:12 <trans> you can't download a computer
15:34:14 <ree> no more need for any industry other than media =)
15:34:22 <ree> which will be scary heh
15:34:48 <trans> the physical world sucks eh
15:34:49 <trans> hahahaha
15:34:57 <ree> well, media isn't a necessity
15:35:03 <ree> luckily
15:35:13 <ree> but the way things are today
15:35:23 <ree> where they tax you not only for breathing, for also for not breathing (death tax)
15:35:34 <trans> yeah
15:35:46 <ree> I'm willing to get rid of everything
15:36:14 <trans> i wouldn't mind living the matrix or something like that
15:36:24 <ree> yeah, that's planned for the dist system
15:36:28 <ree> real time vr =)
15:36:44 <ree> once we get there
15:36:48 <ree> time will no longer matter
15:36:54 <ree> you'll be able to experience years within seconds
15:37:07 <ree> granted time is only a measurement
15:37:23 <trans> not vr but like eliminating the physical element
15:37:29 <ree> once we develop nanotech, we'll be able to seemingly travel back in time by just repositioning atoms
15:37:43 <ree> why eliminate the physical element?
15:37:44 <trans> your mind is directly hooked up to electrical responding circuits
15:37:52 <ree> we just haven't advanced it yet
15:37:56 <trans> you don't use your eyes
15:38:03 <trans> you don't need them
15:38:08 <ree> you don't need eyes in rl
15:38:17 <trans> information is pumped driectly to the neural circuit
15:38:20 <ree> what we should do is reengineer the human
15:38:39 <ree> where we can have a indefinite amount of senses
15:38:46 <ree> with every experience we have
15:38:48 <trans> no
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15:38:59 <ree> and we can control how we experience things
15:39:02 <trans> just make a whole new intelligent being
15:39:13 <ree> we're human though
15:39:24 <trans> human suck
15:39:37 <ree> they certainly don't
15:39:42 <ree> if you get rid of humans
15:39:51 <ree> all that would be left is pure mathematics
15:39:54 <ree> no life
15:40:00 <trans> humans are the cause of all the worlds problems
15:40:02 <ree> no wrongs or rights
15:40:12 <ree> what problems? heh
15:40:16 <ree> you're thinking with your human mind
15:40:26 <trans> replace humans with a completely new superior being
15:40:41 <ree> you can't replace yourself with a superior being
15:40:41 <trans> right and wrong is just an opinion
15:40:46 <trans> why not
15:40:56 <ree> it takes a superior being to create a superior being
15:41:03 <ree> one that can grasp every solution
15:41:04 <trans> dist
15:41:10 <ree> if it is within our capabilities
15:41:16 <ree> we technically are the superior being
15:41:36 <trans> make nature make it
15:41:47 <ink> wow
15:41:54 <trans> artifically stimulated evolution
15:42:05 <ink> I went through all 50 or so emails that I had kept and deleted/saved some
15:42:12 <ink> so now my inbox is empty  :)
15:42:15 <trans> hahaha
15:42:17 <ink> whee
15:42:18 <ree> trans, nothing is artificial about evolution
15:42:22 <trans> how can you get 50 emails
15:42:27 <trans> i don't even get 1 a month
15:42:35 <ree> everything that will go into dist will be based on prior history
15:42:41 <trans> artificially STIMULATE
15:42:46 <ink> nonono, those were the 50 that have been building up over a few months that werent deleted
15:42:54 <trans> oh
15:42:56 ink delets most of his mail upon reading it
15:43:06 <ink> I get a few mails per day, I'd say
15:43:11 <trans> evolution takes billions of years
15:43:21 <trans> so we make it faster and more effiecient
15:43:26 <ree> evolution takes however long it takes
15:43:33 <ree> there is no time limit on it
15:43:41 <ree> it's a adaption to the environment
15:44:17 <ree> we have evolved to a species that can adapt its own environment
15:44:29 <trans> yeah
15:44:38 <ree> once we develop nanotech, we'll be able to seemingly travel back in time by just 
15:44:41 <ree> oops
15:44:45 <ree> heh, stupid command history
15:44:53 <ink> heh
15:44:54 <trans> we use evolution to speed up the process though before we destroy ourselves
15:45:03 <ree> so we are the only species that can evolve ourselves
15:45:15 <ree> computers don't evolve us
15:45:16 <ree> we do
15:45:38 <ree> so if you want to evolve us into mathematical geniouses with no feelings
15:45:43 <ree> you're selling yourself short
15:45:45 <trans> we use computers to make evolve more efficeintly and quicker though
15:45:55 <ree> we are far more advanced than that
15:46:12 <trans> i didn't mention math
15:46:14 <trans> you did
15:46:21 <ree> I mean any specific topic
15:46:23 <ree> or capability
15:46:48 <ree> the current universe is the most fundamental and advanced evolution we could ever hope for
15:47:01 <ree> it can evolve any part of itself into anything
15:47:05 <trans> how can you tell that for sure
15:47:15 <ree> because we are part of it
15:47:24 <ree> heh, I have to eat now
15:47:27 <ree> talk to you in a bit?
15:47:28 <ink> hehehe
15:47:34 <ree> pizza =)
15:47:37 <trans> but how do you know there is a limit
15:47:37 <ree> getting cold heh
15:47:38 <ink> ooh!
15:47:50 ink probably is having pizza tonight
15:47:54 <ink> )))))))))))))))
15:47:59 <ree> trans, we don't yet
15:48:07 <ree> trans, but we use the universe to describe it
15:48:20 <ree> be back =)
15:48:32 <nate37> heh
15:48:35 <nate37> i had japenese food today
15:48:41 <trans> what?
15:48:43 <nate37> beef teraki + rice + sushi
15:48:54 <trans> what do you mean?
15:49:38 <nate37> ?
15:49:54 <ree> sushi = kick ass
15:50:23 <nate37> )
15:50:30 <ink> heh
15:50:38 <trans> did galeleio actually speak out against the church
15:51:13 <trans> or did he publish his papers without giving much thought to them and the church came after him for it?
15:51:16 <ink> Those who are religous practice reversing.
15:51:17 <ink> Those who are reversed practice religion.
15:53:26 <ree> come to think about it
15:53:35 <ree> a sushi pizza restaurant would kick ass =)
15:53:41 <ink> hahaha
15:53:42 <ree> soy sauce + wasabi on a pizza hehe
15:53:47 <nate37> heh
15:53:55 <ree> SPICY PIZZA WITH A MEATBALL EH
15:53:55 <nate37> you have to have pickled ginger ;(
15:54:00 <nate37> hahaha
15:54:01 <ree> yeah
15:54:11 <ree> rice wine pickled ginger
15:54:22 <nate37> i actually brought pickled ginger in to a carl's jr. to eat one time
15:54:24 <ree> some garlic + steamed rice
15:54:25 <nate37> i got strange looks :)
15:54:28 <ree> and seaweed
15:54:33 <nate37> seaweed is cool
15:54:36 <ree> haha
15:54:39 <nate37> the place has this meso soup
15:54:41 <ree> yeah, I think it's a good idea though
15:54:46 <nate37> has seaweed and some other stuff in it
15:54:50 <ree> try california pizza kitchen frozen pizzas
15:54:52 <ree> they are the best
15:54:59 <nate37> heh... .
15:55:00 <ree> yeah, meso soup
15:55:09 <ree> every japanese restaurant does heh
15:55:15 <ree> it's called tofu
15:55:15 <nate37> it r0x0rs
15:55:17 <nate37> heh
15:55:19 <nate37> well
15:55:19 <nate37> no
15:55:21 <trans> ?
15:55:23 <nate37> it didn't have like..
15:55:27 <ree> tofu paste and tofu wedges
15:55:29 <ink> r0x0rs j00r b0x0rs
15:55:36 <nate37> ree: its seaweed and some.. hmmm
15:55:39 <nate37> ree: spongy stuff
15:55:41 <ink> tofu and hempseed, aye?
15:55:46 <nate37> ree: i don't think its tofu..
15:55:47 <ree> there is a good meso mix at japanese shops
15:55:48 <ink> )
15:55:52 <ree> it is tofu
15:55:56 <ree> I know how to make meso soup heh
15:56:01 <nate37> ree: isn't tofu like... hmm... thick?
15:56:02 <nate37> heh
15:56:04 <nate37> cool
15:56:04 <ree> scallions, tofu, tofu paste
15:56:07 <nate37> its good either way
15:56:09 <nate37> yea... ..
15:56:19 <ree> not every place puts seaweed in it
15:56:23 <nate37> ahh
15:56:24 <ree> in fact, most don't
15:56:27 <nate37> well it has green stuff
15:56:27 <nate37> like
15:56:29 <nate37> leaves
15:56:32 <nate37> well
15:56:33 <nate37> i mean
15:56:34 <ree> yeah, those are scallions =)
15:56:36 <nate37> not leaf sh
15:56:37 <nate37> DAMN
15:56:40 <nate37> no seaweed? :(
15:56:51 <ree> there are variations of course
15:56:54 <ree> ok, back to eating heh
15:56:55 <nate37> heh
15:56:58 <nate37> heh
15:57:13 <nate37> you used to live around here?
15:57:26 <ree> yeah
15:57:28 <ree> everywhere
15:57:54 <nate37> heh
15:57:56 <nate37> in irvine ever?
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15:59:17 <ink> hey
15:59:29 <nate37> y0
15:59:49 <nate37> "<ink> r0x0rs j00r b0x0rs (sh0r+z)" heh
15:59:51 <ink> h0h0h0h0h0
15:59:53 <gREMLiNs> hello
16:00:14 <nate37> hmm
16:00:34 ink 1s 133+ 4nd j00 d00ds sux0r!
16:00:58 <nate37> heh
16:01:04 <gREMLiNs> nate37: translate
16:01:14 <nate37> ugh
16:01:23 <nate37> ink is leet and yu dudes suck!
16:01:24 <ink> I am elite and you people suck
16:01:30 <ink> hehehee
16:01:39 ink writes a perl encoder/decoder  )
16:01:40 <gREMLiNs> ohhh
16:01:58 <gREMLiNs> thas what i tough
16:03:01 <gREMLiNs> ohhh
16:03:28 <gREMLiNs> any of you sux0rs saw mickey movie?
16:04:20 <ink> nope
16:04:48 <gREMLiNs> about kid with screwed up braint that gets adopted and kills people around
16:05:01 <nate37> 15614 ?        S      1:34 ftpd: p0wer.qzx.com: brand: RETR pak0.pak.bz2
16:05:04 <nate37> heh poor air
16:05:12 <nate37> that started like more then 12 hours ago
16:08:01 <gREMLiNs> how big is file?
16:09:15 <nate37> 100MB or so
16:09:46 <gREMLiNs> damnnn
16:09:57 <gREMLiNs> well atleast phone is cheap there
16:10:12 <gREMLiNs> but heeyyy 100mb in 33.6 should be in about 6 hrs?
16:10:47 <ree> hah
16:10:49 <ree> no
16:11:49 <ree> send with modems is half the rated receive speed
16:13:05 <gREMLiNs> hmm
16:13:07 <gREMLiNs> meaning?
16:13:24 <ree> going at about 4kb/s
16:13:35 <ree> which is roughly 960kb a minute
16:13:58 <gREMLiNs> nonono
16:14:01 <ree> you can only send at half the speed you can get
16:14:07 <gREMLiNs> see
16:14:18 <gREMLiNs> i get 50mbs in 2hrs via 56k
16:14:37 <gREMLiNs> to get 100mb via 56k
16:14:40 <gREMLiNs> should take 4 hrs
16:15:04 <gREMLiNs> to get 100mb via 33.6k makes it 6 hrs
16:15:15 <ree> what?
16:15:24 <ree> 50mb in 2 hours?
16:15:37 <gREMLiNs> da
16:15:39 <gREMLiNs> beospe
16:15:47 <gREMLiNs> in littlebit more than 2hrs
16:17:33 <ree> going at 5kb/s you can get about 20mb every hour
16:17:39 <nate37> heh
16:17:44 <nate37> when i had modem
16:17:45 <nate37> it was like
16:17:48 <ree> that's receive
16:17:49 <nate37> 20MB every 12 hours heh
16:17:53 <ree> you'd get half that speed sending
16:18:18 <ree> yeah, 5kb/s speed is hard to obtain from anything other than a 56k null modem connection =)
16:18:26 <gREMLiNs> ree: nate is sending at max 2mb and air is reciving in unkonwn speed belived to be 33.6
16:18:36 <ree> I get about 4.5kb/d
16:18:38 <ree> s
16:18:46 <gREMLiNs> ?
16:18:47 <gREMLiNs> ppl
16:19:00 <gREMLiNs> i can here get 56k on 3hrs w/o problems
16:19:06 <ink> it has begun...
16:19:08 <ink> [ink@ink ink]$ ./leetenc.pl "Hello, all, whats up?  I have been hacking big blue."
16:19:09 <ink> H3110, 411, wh4+z up?  1 h4v3 b33n h4ck1ng b1g b1u3.
16:19:12 <ree> 56k on 3hrs?
16:19:16 <ree> what does that mean
16:19:46 <ree> replace K with |<
16:19:47 <gREMLiNs> ree: meaingin i can be connected to provider via modem speed 56k for 3 hours without connection dropping
16:19:51 <ink> heh
16:19:53 <ree> ohh
16:20:04 <ree> when I had a dedicated phone line
16:20:13 <ink> I think I'll replace "cks" with "x0rs"
16:20:14 <ree> I could stay connected at 52kb/s for 4 or 5 days
16:20:22 <ink> er
16:20:31 <ink> "ck" with "x0r"
16:20:34 <ink> hehehehehe
16:20:37 <ree> what ?
16:20:39 <ree> heh
16:20:41 <ree> why x0r
16:20:42 <nate37> heh
16:20:49 <ree> ohh, haxoring
16:20:50 <ink> "fuck" => "fux0r"
16:20:52 <nate37> sux0r
16:20:54 <nate37> heh
16:20:59 <ree> suxey suxey
16:21:01 <nate37> clux0r
16:21:03 <nate37> heh
16:21:05 <ree> little sucky sucky
16:21:19 <ree> give me some lubb'n
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16:21:43 <ink> what is wrong with: $phr =~ s/[dude,person,guy]/d00d/g;
16:21:44 <ree> hey kittie
16:21:54 <ink> hey grem
16:22:03 <ink> why you on twice?
16:22:04 <nate37> heh ink
16:22:07 <ree> heh, grem and his stable 3 hour connection =)
16:22:12 <nate37> [ doesn't work that way
16:22:14 <nate37> you need {
16:22:16 <ink> aww
16:22:16 <nate37> and }
16:22:19 <ink> okay
16:22:20 <ink> )
16:22:27 <nate37> if its enhanced standard expressions
16:22:37 <nate37> otherwise you need an indivdual line for each
16:22:50 <ree> what's the ology for sound?
16:22:55 <ree> and no, it isn't soundology
16:23:00 <ree> not phonics hmm
16:23:01 <kittie> N0W T/-/!5 is /<-/>@c| ~|~[-x+...:)))
16:23:09 <gREMLiNs> )
16:23:23 <ree> using computer science, physics, sound, and nanotechnology
16:23:25 <gREMLiNs> can anybody read that shit?
16:23:27 <ree> doesn't sound right heh
16:23:32 <trans> kittie?
16:23:58 <kittie> ThIS 1$ pr3+t`/ K-R@|) M[-$Sage.....[an aNYbodY Se[- !T?
16:24:10 <ink> hmm
16:24:13 <ree> this is pretty
16:24:19 <ree> what is -?
16:24:19 <ink> how do you make it not care about upper/lower case?
16:24:21 <ink> or
16:24:27 <trans> looks like N0W T/-/!5 is /<-/>@c| ~|~[-x+...:)))
16:24:28 <ree> you convert it all to upper or lower case
16:24:30 <ink> how would I make everything lowercase?
16:24:39 <ree> php?
16:24:42 <ink> perl
16:24:46 <ree> eww
16:24:47 <ree> hehe
16:24:52 <ink> heh
16:24:57 <gREMLiNs> heyyy
16:25:06 <gREMLiNs> there is no need to make everything lowercase
16:25:07 <nate37> H@y
16:25:09 <nate37> heh
16:25:12 <gREMLiNs> when using good ol regeex
16:25:19 <ree> bah, lowercase owns you
16:25:19 <ink> heh
16:25:20 <ink> well
16:25:27 <ink> leetspeak tends to be lowercase
16:25:32 <ink> unless "yelling"
16:25:36 <ree> hah, yell mode
16:25:42 <ree> make a keyword that puts it into yell mode
16:25:50 <ree> like bitch or something =)
16:25:58 <kittie> |)0N~|~ m1)( |_||^ /_E3Ts|^ea|< w1~|~/-/ /<-rA|) $p3A/<..p|_3As[-
16:26:07 <ree> YO FAT FREAKING BITCH YEAH I MEAN YO
16:26:12 <ink> hahaha
16:26:35 <trans> what is going on here
16:26:37 <nate37> H@y
16:26:41 <trans> what's the score
16:26:41 <nate37> Y0 d00ds
16:26:44 <nate37> )
16:26:44 <ree> h0h0h0
16:26:51 <ree> wh0rific
16:27:04 <ree> trans, as usual, nate hasn't scored
16:27:08 <nate37> there i made a script
16:27:10 <ree> trans, the rest of us are smoking cigs
16:27:12 <trans> hehehe
16:27:19 <nate37>  /exec -o ~/leet "<Message>"
16:27:22 <nate37> <Mess@ge>
16:27:30 <nate37> I'm g0ing +0 r0x0r y0ur w0rld
16:27:41 <nate37> Th@+ suckz @l0+
16:27:51 <ree> bbiab, having a BIG SOFTY
16:27:51 <nate37> )
16:27:54 <ree> soft pretzel heh
16:28:04 <nate37> sucky sucky 00000hhhh reeeee
16:28:08 <nate37> heh damn
16:28:21 <nate37> sucky sucky 00000hhhh r33333
16:28:31 <ink> this is getting muy scary
16:28:33 <ree> give a little love, get sucky sucky
16:28:38 <ink> how do you make it all lowercase?
16:28:39 <ree> get sucky with it
16:28:40 <nate37> hmm
16:28:48 <ink> regexp?
16:28:52 <kittie> w/-/a~|~ |)iD gO~|~ inT0 YO0?
16:28:56 <ink> this may as well be a shell script  :)
16:29:07 <nate37> hmm
16:29:48 <ink> damnit, this not working right!
16:29:49 <ink> $phr =~ s/{hello,hey,hi,greetings,salutations}/y0/g;
16:29:50 <nate37> +35+
16:29:55 <nate37> +35+z
16:30:02 <nate37> +35+z 
16:30:04 <nate37> heh cool
16:30:34 <ink> <ink> how do you make it all lowercase?
16:30:43 <nate37> i n0w h@v3 @ 133+ 5h311 5crip+ h3h
16:30:46 <nate37> i c@n 533 h0w +h3y d0 +h@+ @553mb1y 5h311 5crip+z n0w
16:30:55 <nate37> )
16:31:02 <gREMLiNs> nate..shame on you
16:31:06 <nate37> >:)
16:31:07 <gREMLiNs> H== /-/
16:31:15 <ink> hmm?
16:31:17 <gREMLiNs> D== |)
16:31:25 <gREMLiNs> T == ~|~
16:31:31 <nate37> h3h3 i+z +r@n51@+ing my 5mi13yz +00 >8P
16:32:25 <ink> <ink> how do you make it all lowercase?
16:33:09 <nate37> wh@+ d0 y0u m3@n?
16:33:22 <ink> "Hello" => "hello"
16:33:26 <nate37> umm
16:33:28 <nate37> i am not heh
16:33:39 <nate37> Ju5+ +@1king in 10w3r c@53 f0r +h3 m05+ p@r+
16:33:42 <nate37> wow
16:34:05 <gREMLiNs> $lowercase=lc($mixed);
16:34:13 <gREMLiNs> lc is magic word
16:34:29 kittie is gone (01:34AM): (AutoGone - 5 mins)
16:34:45 <ree> you guys ever going to start talking about os dev
16:34:53 <ree> or is that against your religious beliefs? heh
16:34:54 <ink> heh
16:34:56 <ink> maybe
16:35:20 <gREMLiNs> ree: not just religious
16:35:28 <nate37> Just t@lking in lower c@se for the most p@rt
16:35:33 <nate37> heh nearly decodes ok
16:35:49 <nate37> Just talking in lower case for the most part
16:35:56 <nate37> l t l = 2
16:35:57 <nate37> heh
16:36:07 <nate37> hmm wh0 c@n i pi5z 0ff n0w h3h.
16:36:16 <nate37> hah that piss looks wierd
16:36:34 <nate37> n@+337
16:36:44 <nate37> gr3m1inz y0u 5ux0r big +im3 y0u big 133+ d00d
16:36:54 <nate37> haha
16:37:04 <nate37> gremlins you suxor big time you big leet dude
16:37:13 <nate37> heh
16:37:15 <nate37> was person 
16:38:58 <kittie> |\/|e SU[k? yOU s(_)c/< yo|_| fuC/<
16:39:38 <ink> [ink@ink ink]$ ./leetenc.pl "Hello, all, whats up?  I have been hacking big blue."
16:39:38 <ink> y0, d00dz, wh4+z up?  1 h4v3 b33n h4x0r1ng b1g b1u3.
16:40:13 <gREMLiNs> ink: but pacific blue is better than deep
16:40:21 <ink> heh
16:42:02 <ink> lol!
16:42:04 <ink> [ink@ink ink]$ ./leetenc.pl "I am better that you people, you guys suck, I rock your boxers."
16:42:04 <ink> 1 4m b3++3r +h4+ y0u d00dz, y0u d00dz zux0r, 1 r0x0r y0ur b0x3rz.
16:42:13 <ink> erm
16:42:20 <ink> change that to than  :)
16:42:30 <ink> and +h4+ to +h4n
16:43:01 <nate37>  11011 1000000000 10101 01000 01001 1010000000 01001 1010000000 00011 10011 00101 00101 10001 11011
16:43:08 <nate37>  01000 00101 01000 00101 01000 0010100000:)
16:43:26 <ink> riight
16:43:32 ink == too lazy to decode
16:43:34 <nate37>  01101 01001 01011 00101 00000 01001 10101?
16:43:49 <gREMLiNs> nate37: big or little indian?
16:44:14 <ink> hahaha: 1 d0 n0+ w1zh +0 d3c0d3 +h4+ zy0+
16:44:25 <ink> funny how it changes "shit"
16:44:42 <ink> s => z, hi => y0, t => +
16:44:48 <ink> zy0+
16:45:28 <nate37> 01101ike it?
16:45:29 <nate37> heh
16:46:19 <ink> lol!
16:46:21 <ink> p14y1ng mp3g z+r34m fr0m gr34+fu1_d34d_-_unc13_j0hn'z_b4nd.mp3 ...
16:46:21 <ink> junk 4+ +h0b3g1nn1ng 49443303
16:46:21 <ink> mp3g 1.0 14y3r 111, 128 kb1+/z, 44100 hz j01n+-z+3r30
16:46:27 <ink> mpg123 stuff  :)
16:47:20 <nate37> like it?
16:47:23 <nate37> yay :)
16:47:29 <ink> this wuold ,make a cool encryption algo  :)
16:47:39 <nate37>  10101 01000 01001 10100 00000 01001 10100 00000 00011 10011 11011 10001 10101 00101 00100
16:47:55 <nate37> this is crypted
16:47:59 <nate37> heh that is uncrypted
16:48:06 <nate37>  /exec -o /home/nate/unbinleet " 10101 01000 01001 10100 00000 01001 10100 00000 00011 10011 11011 10001 10101 00101 00100"
16:48:39 <nate37>  /exec -o /home/nate/leet "hey air, i've turned leet. bwahahahah >:)"
16:48:43 <nate37> ep
16:48:49 <nate37> h3y @ir, i'v3 +urn3d 133+. bw@h@h@h@h >>8P
16:48:51 <ink> hahaha
16:49:04 <nate37> /m3 133+ h@ck3r
16:49:31 <ink> [ink@ink ink]$ ./leetenc.pl "hey air, i've turned leet. bwahahahah >:)"
16:49:31 <ink> y0 41r, 1'v3 +urn3d 133+. bw4h04h0 >:)
16:49:33 <nate37> /m3 133+ h@ck3r
16:49:35 <nate37> grrr
16:49:38 <ink> heh
16:50:19 <nate37> /m3 133+ h@ck3r
16:50:27 <nate37> hmm why is it not making.. oh i know
16:50:34 <ink> "duh"
16:50:37 <ink>  /m3
16:50:41 <nate37> /m3 133+ h@x0r
16:50:43 <nate37> )
16:50:49 <ink>  /m3 != /me
16:50:50 <nate37> y0u fucking 5ux0r ink
16:51:01 <ink> and I doubt it would work througfh a /exec  :P
16:51:03 <nate37> n0 c0nv3r5i0n 0n fucking?? g33z
16:51:11 <ink> heh
16:51:12 <nate37> p
16:51:18 <ink> [ink@ink ink]$ ./leetenc.pl "I am a supurb hacker"                     
16:51:18 <ink> 1 4m 4 133+ h4x0r3r
16:51:42 <nate37> i @m @ 5upurb h@x0r
16:51:53 <nate37> heh yours has problem
16:51:59 <nate37> h4x0r3r
16:52:02 <ink> yeah
16:52:03 <nate37> heh
16:52:04 <ink> I noticed that
16:52:09 <nate37> mine doesn't :P
16:52:09 <ink> y0u fux0r1ng zux0r, n4+3
16:52:13 <nate37> hmmmm
16:52:14 <ink> hahaha
16:52:19 <nate37> hahaa
16:52:26 <ink> oh!
16:52:29 <ink> I forgot one!
16:52:29 <nate37> y0u fucking 5uck, n@+3
16:52:36 <nate37> hmm
16:53:09 <ink> j00 fux0r1ng zux0r, n4+3
16:53:19 <ink> P
16:53:20 <nate37> hmm
16:53:22 <nate37> >8P
16:53:27 <nate37>  /exec -o /home/nate/leet ":)"
16:53:28 <nate37> >8P
16:53:34 <ink> hahaha
16:53:46 <ink> brb
16:53:47 [QUIT] ink quit: Read error to ink[user-vcauv5k.dsl.mindspring.com]: EOF from client
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16:54:04 <ink> better
16:54:06 <ink> I like console  :)
16:54:30 <nate37> sed: -e expression #1, char 99: Unterminated `s' command
16:54:48 <kittie> ~
16:54:52 <kittie> ~Grfg
16:54:52 <ink> hehehe
16:55:03 <kittie> #FEGIGJHDCAGJHDCAGKHFHDHECAHEGFHDHE
16:55:11 <nate37> [n 
16:55:12 <nate37> =============)n 
16:55:12 <nate37>  \    B10w m3n 
16:55:12 <nate37> _))n3ni5]
16:55:16 <nate37> haha
16:55:47 <kittie> _-....-..-... ..-... .._.-.._-_._.-_._-..-_.-__. _-.-...-_  (mc)
16:55:50 <nate37> [ 
16:55:50 <nate37> =============) 
16:55:50 <nate37>  \    B10w m3 
16:55:50 <nate37> _))3ni5]
16:55:51 <gREMLiNs> ))))
16:56:02 <nate37> )
16:56:07 <nate37> enis
16:56:07 <nate37> heh
16:56:20 <nate37> it'll do anything with e in it heh
16:56:24 <nate37>  
16:56:24 <nate37> =============) 
16:56:24 <nate37>  \    B10w m3 
16:56:24 <nate37> _))
16:56:26 <nate37> heh
16:56:28 <kittie> .._.-.._-_._.-_._ _.__-___-.._ ._-._..-._.. ...-_-.._-.__.-..-_.. .__.-.-___-.__.-._..-. .._.-___-._. _.-___-_ _._-_.-___-.__-..-_.-__. __-___-._.-...-. _._.-___-_..-.  (mc)
16:56:30 <gREMLiNs> morse code
16:56:44 <kittie> ~shpx lbh angr
16:56:47 <gREMLiNs> rot 13
16:56:58 <nate37> [p3niz
16:56:59 <nate37>  
16:57:00 <nate37> =============) 
16:57:00 <nate37>  \    B10w m3 
16:57:00 <nate37> _))
16:57:06 <nate37> Scr3w y0u 5ux0r  
16:57:07 <nate37> =============) 
16:57:07 <nate37>  \    B10w m3 
16:57:07 <nate37> _))
16:57:11 <nate37> heh
16:57:12 <ink> c0nz013 1z v3ry 133+
16:57:19 <ink>  /exec -m #osdev ~ink/leetenc.pl "console is very good"
16:57:24 <nate37> Scr3w y0u 5ux0r  
16:57:24 <nate37> =============) 
16:57:24 <nate37>  \    B10w m3 
16:57:24 <nate37> \_))
16:57:29 <kittie> HAHEHIHECAHEGFHDHECAGCGBGCHJ" fB -+ TEXT +-
16:57:36 <nate37> Scr3w y0u 5ux0r  
16:57:36 <nate37> =============) 
16:57:36 <nate37>  \\    B10w m3 
16:57:36 <nate37> \_))
16:57:57 <nate37> hmm
16:58:00 <nate37> +r@l@ll@l@
16:58:02 <nate37> heh
16:58:09 <ink> bbl
16:58:11 <ink> driving
16:58:15 [NICK] ink changed nick to: ink|aw
16:58:41 <nate37> k
16:58:47 <nate37> h@v3 fun 5ux0r
16:58:53 <nate37> heh
16:59:14 <nate37> gr3ml1nz y0u c@n 5ux0r my  
16:59:14 <nate37> =============) 
16:59:14 <nate37>  \\    Bl0w m3 
16:59:14 <nate37> \_))
16:59:19 <nate37> hhee
17:00:38 nate37 removes his scripts
17:09:50 <lar1> Does anyone know the resolution of TVc?
17:09:53 <lar1> TVs rather
17:11:05 <trans> NTSC = 525 lines
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17:12:45 <nate37> hey lar
17:13:26 <ree> trans, aren't there two different res for tvs?
17:14:04 <trans> well not really no
17:14:12 <ree> ohh
17:14:16 <trans> NTCS specifies 525 lines of resolution
17:14:17 <nate37> dododododododooddeeedodododododoodde DOO DDODODEEDODODOODDO DODODODODODO DO DE
17:14:24 <nate37> has heee lost his minnnnd
17:14:31 <trans> there is also PAL and SECAM and all those tv formats though
17:14:33 <ree> I meant NTCS yeah
17:14:50 <ree> I believe older tvs had less res
17:15:03 <trans> the other resolution sizes are not real resoultions.  it just like half the size
17:16:11 <ree> I use to study a lot about tvs and video in general
17:16:13 <ree> forgot most of it heh
17:16:16 <trans> hehe
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17:16:35 <ree> I have a real poor recall with technical stuff
17:16:44 <ree> I think my learning process is poor
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17:17:07 <lar1> Umm so
17:17:15 <lar1> How does that convert to VGA resolutions?
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17:17:34 <trans> ummm...
17:17:35 <lar1> IE, if I vid capture NTSC, what resolution would export back to NTSC at 525?
17:17:47 <trans> not all 525 lines are displayed even
17:17:53 <lar1> Ok...
17:17:55 <ree> trans, that's what I remember
17:18:01 <ree> trans, that not all lines were displayed
17:18:19 <trans> there are like 5-10 frames on each side of the vsync that are used for syncronizing or something
17:19:05 <ree> I studied stereographic displays
17:19:20 <ree> and how this one guy used a technique that could encode 3d by visual delay/speed
17:19:29 <ree> with motion video across normal tv
17:19:35 <ree> pullman technique I believe
17:20:06 <ree> you cover one eye with a see through shade
17:20:21 <ree> but it looks normal without the glasses/shade
17:20:42 <ree> because of the issue with the stereographic green/blue color and how poor color is on tvs
17:21:12 <ree> the red/green shades don't work that well with normal video, and you can't see the picture that well without the glasses
17:21:29 <ree> I was studying it all to plan for creating a 3d stereographic gui =)
17:21:40 <ree> so you could use a real low res but communicate a lot of information
17:22:18 <ree> but then someone came out with a method of projecting a completely 3d image that could be viewed in 3d from any angle without special equipment
17:22:30 <ree> in real time
17:22:37 <ree> so that should be the way to go =)
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17:23:19 <ree> re tril
17:23:30 <trans> hi tril
17:23:41 <trans> what is this method?
17:23:43 <ree> no more need for walls in houses
17:23:50 <ree> just project the wall, create a force field around it
17:24:03 <ree> you could move around any part of the house by reprogramming heh
17:24:16 <ree> bring the kitchen to you hah
17:24:23 <ree> trans, haven't studied it enough
17:24:40 <trans> i've never heard of it before
17:24:51 <trans> must be a long way off in development
17:25:11 <ree> it's already developed
17:25:16 <ree> they showcased it at an expo
17:25:27 <trans> which expo?
17:25:31 <ree> don't recall
17:25:49 <trans> i mean marketable, sorry
17:26:20 <ree> yeah, that seems that every new technology being developed is waiting until it is marketable
17:26:35 <ree> I'm really interested in architecture
17:26:38 <trans> well it's all because of industry
17:26:41 <ree> I think that is what I'd be best at
17:26:53 <ree> nope
17:26:56 <trans> they make techonlogical development for the point of marketing it
17:26:58 <ree> it's all because of each of us
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17:27:54 <trans> it's people like us who are stupid in a way and just hand them everything we do
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17:28:14 <ree> I think architecture is one of the most interesting sciences actually
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17:28:48 <trans> what kinda architectuer
17:29:14 <ree> heh, my kind
17:29:24 <trans> hehe
17:29:33 <trans> no like computer architecture you mean?
17:29:38 <trans> or building or what
17:29:42 <ree> ohh, no, construction like
17:29:57 <ree> any kind of structure
17:30:02 <ree> I like to think of and build things
17:30:08 <ree> even if they are just theories =)
17:30:15 <trans> structure
17:30:18 <ree> computer architecture is good too
17:30:27 <ree> architecture is the basis of a lot of things
17:30:33 <trans> like hardware and software and everything else
17:30:52 <ree> it's development at a fundamental level
17:31:05 <ree> you orchestrate every decision that goes into the development 
17:31:58 <trans> yeah
17:32:06 <trans> so do i
17:32:16 <ree> be crazy not to =)
17:32:23 <trans> i just like to do the whole project myself
17:32:41 <ree> yep
17:32:43 <ree> we all do I believe
17:32:59 <trans> )
17:34:00 <ree> I wish I could use PWM with macos hehe
17:34:09 <ree> be the perfect combination
17:34:28 <ree> framed windows rock
17:34:34 <trans> ?
17:34:41 <trans> aren't all windows framed
17:34:44 <ree> that's one of the best developments in gui I've seen
17:35:05 <ree> framed windows under pwm are joined together within a single window
17:35:15 <ree> then you can use the keyboard to uniquely switch between them
17:35:26 <trans> oh
17:35:36 <trans> what is PWM again?
17:35:38 <ree> they are all the same size and can be directly accessed with a single key combo
17:35:43 <ree> a window manager
17:35:55 <ree> it lets you do everything from the keyboard
17:35:57 <trans> oh
17:35:59 <trans> right
17:36:12 <trans> i was thinking some parallel computing thing
17:36:17 <ree> the author made another window manager
17:36:20 <ree> hah, PVM =)
17:36:57 <trans> ?
17:37:00 <trans> =?
17:37:03 <ree> the other one just has a single window the full size of the screen
17:37:04 <ree> that you type in
17:37:20 <ree> I think that guis are unecessary
17:37:28 <trans> yeah
17:37:42 <trans> well it depends
17:37:45 <ree> I think that the resolution is necessary though
17:37:52 <trans> you really need good methods of IO
17:37:58 <ree> images/video can be drawn as well
17:38:03 <ree> but the actual graphical user interface is a problem
17:38:10 <trans> like if we could replace monitors with something
17:38:12 <ree> yeah, that will be a major issue with dist
17:38:18 <ree> the interfaces
17:38:26 <trans> INTERFACES!
17:38:32 <trans> (sorry)
17:40:44 <ree> vt wrap mode is a life saver heh
17:41:00 <trans> you know what we need!!!!
17:41:13 <trans> to improve gui development
17:42:00 <trans> a way to allow testing of advanced concepts without having to re-write shitloads of code
17:42:14 <trans> hopefully urinel can help a bit
17:42:29 <trans> but we need to go further than that
17:42:49 <trans> we also need better peripherals
17:42:53 <trans> new peripherals
17:43:11 <trans> like monitors, keyboards, mice, and shit have been around for AGES
17:43:24 <trans> we need something to better relay infomation
17:43:34 <trans> to do that we need Open Hardware
17:43:40 <ree> well, dist will be able to do that
17:43:48 <ree> in fact, 99% of the code dist does will be written by itself
17:43:57 <trans> to get open hardware we need an easier way to prototype and produce it
17:44:33 <trans> yeah but in dist, you don't necissairly have control over it
17:44:40 <ree> sure do
17:44:49 <ree> once we start producing operating system code 
17:45:05 <ree> you'll be able to use natural (or any) language to control every step of the production
17:45:11 <trans> but how can you tell it what concepts to try
17:45:28 <trans> hey i know!
17:45:47 <trans> oh never mind
17:45:52 <trans> you don't wanna hear it
17:46:31 <ree> sure do heh
17:46:36 <trans> well...
17:46:44 <ree> trans, well, we have to teach it everything it knows =)
17:47:06 <ree> there are ways of using language to describe everything
17:47:11 <trans> i was just thinking it might be easier if you used something like urinel as your base code
17:47:29 <trans> ree: language is too vaige
17:47:44 <trans> it's too hard to relay the information you need to through words
17:47:46 <ree> I can describe anything down to the single atom in language
17:47:54 <trans> you need a new way of relaying thoughts
17:48:04 <ree> well, yes, we do need a new way
17:48:07 <trans> maybe in 500 years
17:48:18 <ree> well, you said it was vague heh
17:48:40 <trans> man i can;t spell today
17:48:47 <trans> can't type eithae triuhdea
17:50:00 <ree> well, I'd love to share ideas
17:50:04 <ree> I really need help with dist heh
17:50:52 <trans> hehehe
17:51:00 <trans> do you know the UIK concept
17:51:05 <ree> nope
17:51:31 <trans> small dynamically connectable groups of prewritten code
17:51:39 <trans> through common interfaces
17:51:44 <ree> ahh
17:51:45 <trans> there are 2 types of interface
17:51:50 <trans> static and dynamic
17:51:59 <ree> I was doing something similar with my os project
17:52:02 <ree> but I quit that awhile ago
17:52:10 <trans> to do dist?
17:52:20 <ree> well, it was part of dist, mepha
17:52:28 <trans> oh
17:52:33 <ree> but I've reinvented dist about thirty two times
17:52:40 <trans> hehehe
17:52:46 <trans> yeah i know what you mean
17:52:47 <ree> not including the website =)
17:53:34 <ree> er, websites
17:53:41 <ree> I got dist.net first
17:53:49 <ree> then managed to get dist.org somehow
17:53:56 <ree> they use to be sites for school districts
17:54:07 <ree> so I get lots of email from teachers talking back and forth heh
17:55:20 <trans> hahah
17:55:28 <trans> what do you do about them?
17:55:34 <ree> nothing
17:55:36 <trans> do you respond to any
17:55:43 <trans> or forward them?
17:55:52 <ree> I made sendmail send everything@ to my one account
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17:56:35 <trans> hahahah!
17:56:49 <trans> nice message tir
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18:03:58 <ree> so how is urinel progressing?
18:04:00 <ree> any site?
18:04:22 <ree> brb
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18:08:22 <nate37> ree ree reee
18:08:29 <trans> hi
18:08:30 <nate37> r33 r33 r33 heh (did it by hand)
18:08:36 <ree> re =)
18:08:38 <ree> naters taters
18:08:40 <ree> hey transvestite =)
18:09:10 <ree> bbiab guys =)
18:09:15 <nate37> ugh
18:09:15 <nate37> cya
18:09:24 <trans> man i wish this irc client allowed 10 character nicks and that jerk didn't steal my full nick
18:09:29 <trans> ree:
18:09:44 <trans> oops
18:09:50 <ree> try to force it to by using /quote
18:12:03 <nate37> brb
18:12:29 <trans> the site for urinel hasn't been updated in a while
18:12:52 <trans> i've just been re-conseptionalizing it
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18:13:36 <alterego> Well...well..well...you can never tell!
18:13:52 <alterego> Maybe the dark is from your eyes.....
18:15:54 <trans> hmmm...
18:16:01 <trans> i think i'll get stoned
18:16:32 <alterego> great....
18:16:35 <alterego> -P
18:17:37 <trans> hmmm...
18:18:05 <trans> waterfall, lung, gravity or ordinary bong?
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18:30:10 <ree> hey air
18:30:13 <ree> trans, what's the url?
18:39:25 <trans> http://jabberwocky.fishbones.org/
18:39:39 <trans> man if you could see this bong you'd marvel at it's genious
18:39:47 [NICK] ink|aw changed nick to: ink
18:39:52 <ink> hey all!
18:39:53 <trans> bbl
18:40:08 <ink> wait
18:40:10 <ink> hold on
18:40:12 <ink> trans!!!
18:40:27 <ink> wrt <trans> waterfall, lung, gravity or ordinary bong?
18:40:34 <ink> how about....
18:40:44 <ink> get some friends and a hookah  :P
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18:41:40 <trans> not enough
18:41:43 <trans> just a bit left
18:41:47 <ink> ah
18:41:47 <ink> hmmm
18:41:53 <trans> it's an ordinary bong
18:41:58 <trans> made with a jar
18:42:00 <ink> okay
18:42:00 <trans> a straw
18:42:01 <ink> hehehe
18:42:08 <trans> the tube from a bic pen
18:42:09 <ink> you know those milk chug things?
18:42:14 <trans> some plactising
18:42:19 <ink> one of those and a tube from a bic pen  :)
18:42:20 <trans> some foil
18:42:24 <ink> yeah
18:42:29 <trans> and some tape
18:42:33 <ink> or you could roll a J and cram it in the tube
18:42:42 <ink> )
18:42:46 <trans> yeah
18:42:48 <ink> the foil way gets annoying
18:42:51 <trans> i made a bowl thouhg
18:42:55 <ink> heh
18:42:56 <air> ok thats about enuf of this topic
18:42:58 <ink> of foil?
18:43:00 <ink> heh
18:43:01 <ink> okay then
18:43:02 <trans> well it's only 1 night
18:43:06 <ink> hehehe
18:43:09 <ink> have fun
18:43:10 <air> take it to #morons
18:43:13 <ink> lol
18:43:15 <trans> k
18:43:17 <trans> bbl
18:43:21 <ink> heh, ciao
18:43:57 <ink> so, air, what you been up to?
18:43:57 <ink> ttp came quite a ways last night
18:43:57 <ink> got some good code in
18:43:57 <ink> and some damn fine A20 code  :)
18:44:43 <air> i got all my restructuring debugging done last night
18:44:54 <ink> coolness
18:45:01 <ink> we can almost boot, so close it's scary
18:45:02 <air> now i just gotta debug the ofs and floppy driver
18:45:19 <ink> we are having problems loading the kernel into memory
18:45:24 ink curses at the floppy drive
18:45:34 <air> problems?
18:45:39 <ink> yeah
18:45:40 <ink> as in
18:45:53 <ink> it either freezes or reboots when we jump to the kernel
18:46:07 <air> do u have my code?
18:46:14 <ink> umm, yeah, somewhere
18:46:17 <ink> lemme find it
18:46:28 <air> boot.asm and drive_read.inc
18:47:50 <ink> cool
18:47:51 <ink> tnx
18:48:16 <air> u want the new ones?
18:49:08 <air> the new one relocates the boot sector
18:49:37 <ink> cool
18:49:38 <ink> okay
18:52:58 <ink> what does rep do?
18:53:07 <air> string instruction repeat
18:53:26 <air> it repeats the instruction until (e)cx is 0
18:53:45 <ink> ah cool
18:54:06 <air> or for cmps and scas it repeats while (e)cx >0 and the instruction is true
18:54:38 <ink> ah
18:54:43 <ink> coolness
18:54:49 <ink> what is movsw?
18:55:33 <air> moves the word at [esi] to [edi]
18:55:47 <air> adds 2 to edi and esi
18:56:06 <air> it copies a block
18:56:15 <air> block of words
18:56:28 <ink> ah
18:56:29 <air> movsd copies dwords and movsb copies bytes
18:56:32 <ink> I see
18:56:59 <air> stosX stores eax/ax/al at [edi]
18:57:17 <air> so if u wanna zero a block u load eax=0 and use stosd
18:57:22 <air> rep stosd
18:58:15 <ink> nice
18:58:31 <air> but only use them for large blocks
18:58:36 <ink> yeah
18:58:48 <ink> like filling up that damn sector at the end...
18:58:53 <air> if yer moving a couple words then the setup time for strings will kill ya
18:58:53 <ink> our code is annoying there
18:58:59 <ink> yeah
18:59:21 <air> filling up a sector?
19:00:55 <air> can u send me /etc/quake2.conf?
19:01:17 <ink> okay
19:01:43 <ink> it is one line: /usr/local/games/quake2
19:01:55 <air> thanks
19:02:07 <ink> np
19:03:01 <ink> to fill up the boot block, we used times 510-($-$$) db 0
19:04:03 <air> u are suppose to
19:04:55 <ink> yeah
19:05:17 <ink> ah
19:05:21 <ink> thaths how you did it too
19:05:27 <ink> just noticed that  :)
19:06:43 <air> hmm nate didnt give me the pics/ dir
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19:08:07 <ree> re tir
19:08:08 <ree> bbiab
19:08:14 <tirloni> hi ree
19:08:47 <ink> air: where do enable A20?
19:08:50 <ink> and remap the pic?
19:09:53 <air> where do i?
19:12:55 <ink> ah
19:13:01 <ink> you did it the same way linus does it
19:13:12 <air> no really :)
19:13:16 <ink> heh
19:13:25 <air> its the only way that works
19:13:50 <ink> no
19:13:58 <air> i tried a half dozen other a20's and none worked
19:14:16 <ink> heh
19:14:19 <trans> hey
19:14:22 <trans> hey all
19:14:27 <ink> there is a story about it benig called n2o.asm
19:14:28 <trans> hehee
19:14:29 <ink> hello
19:14:35 <ink> you see
19:14:41 <trans> hahahaha
19:14:53 <trans> brb
19:14:55 <ink> it was origionally going to be a202.asm, or smth like that
19:15:03 <ink> but alter was like
19:15:12 <ink> wait, hahaha, I thouhjt that was something else
19:15:17 <ink> and it ended up as n2o
19:15:24 <ink> and there are some _interesting_ comments in there
19:15:37 ink was feeling weird while writing that
19:15:51 <ink> oh, and I like the green smiley face  :)
19:15:55 <ink> hmmm
19:16:05 <ink> I will make it print something else if it fails
19:16:25 ink has 3 methods
19:16:30 <ink> each tried 5 times
19:16:36 <ink> to ensure that it works
19:16:39 <trans> hi
19:16:45 <ink> well, it stops early if it works
19:16:48 <ink> testing each time
19:16:48 <ink> yeah
19:16:50 <ink> hello
19:17:00 <trans> hahahha
19:17:22 <ink> oh wait
19:17:29 <ink> it prints !!! if it fails  :)
19:17:35 <ink> just remembered
19:18:10 <air> hmm
19:19:04 <ink> bbl
19:19:06 <ink> food
19:19:08 <air> wait
19:19:11 [NICK] ink changed nick to: ink|pizza
19:19:12 <ink|pizza> okay
19:19:14 <air> Error: Couldn't load pics/colormap.pcx
19:19:19 <ink|pizza> oohhhhhh
19:19:19 <air> do u have that dir?
19:19:22 [NICK] ink|pizza changed nick to: ink
19:19:24 <ink> yeah
19:19:28 <ink> hold on
19:19:29 <air> nate doesnt
19:19:33 <ink> no?
19:19:40 <air> its not in his quake2 dir
19:19:42 <ink> do you have the quake II cd for any os?
19:19:51 <air> no
19:20:06 <ink> you need to copy everything on it into your quake dir and delete the .exe and .dll files
19:20:34 <air> i dont have a q2 cd
19:20:40 <nate37> yo
19:20:41 <air> i donwloaded what nate has
19:20:46 <ink> hmm
19:20:50 <nate37> hmm
19:20:53 <ink> weird
19:20:55 <nate37> how did i get around that heh
19:21:01 <nate37> air: i had that same error
19:21:01 <ink> same here
19:21:05 <ink> it did thah before
19:21:11 <ink> and I copied lar's cd over
19:21:15 <ink> and everything worked
19:21:18 <nate37> hmm
19:21:23 <ink> maybe they have a diff config file or smth
19:21:34 <nate37> air: give me a recursivee listing of your directorys
19:21:43 <ink> hehehe
19:21:47 <air> nate37_win: they look like yers
19:21:53 <nate37> ?
19:21:53 <air> get rid of that damn win client
19:21:56 <nate37> heh
19:22:10 <nate37> air: no give it to me heh
19:22:10 <air> i just compared them to yer dir
19:22:14 <nate37> ugh
19:22:19 <nate37>  /usr/local/games/quake2?
19:22:23 <air> yes
19:22:26 <nate37> hmm
19:22:32 <nate37> what is in baseq2?
19:22:39 <air> same as yers
19:22:50 <nate37> grr
19:22:53 <nate37> no lemme see 
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19:24:20 <air> config.cfg  gamei386.so*  maps.lst  pak0.pak  pak1.pak  pak2.pak  players/
19:24:31 nate37 thinks
19:24:45 <nate37> you copied as binary.. right?
19:24:54 <nate37> not ascii.. ?
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19:25:06 <ink|pizza> there
19:25:08 <ink|pizza> bbl
19:25:17 <nate37> heh
19:25:23 <air> nate37_win: do i look like a windows uers?
19:25:38 <nate37> Error: Couldn't load pics/colormap.pcx
19:25:39 <nate37> heh
19:25:44 <nate37> air: what umm
19:25:46 <nate37> at the top
19:25:48 <nate37> when you start it
19:25:51 <nate37> Added packfile ./baseq2/pak1.pak (279 files)
19:25:51 <nate37> Added packfile ./baseq2/pak2.pak (2 files)
19:25:55 <nate37> which ones does that show?
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19:26:07 <nate37> demm
19:26:12 <air> oh crhist
19:26:19 <air> u have to cd into the dir
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19:27:01 <nate37> yea
19:27:19 <nate37> i guess that leads to the question...
19:27:22 <nate37> air: q2? :)
19:28:29 <air> how do i tell it to use ref_softx.so
19:28:32 <air> or the glx
19:28:45 <nate37> umm
19:28:53 <air> ------- Loading ref_soft.so -------
19:28:53 <air> svgalib: Cannot get I/O permissions.
19:29:09 <nate37>         ./quake2 +set vid_ref softx
19:30:32 <air> cute
19:30:59 <air> its playingthe wrong damn cd
19:31:10 <air> gotta make it play my nin cds
19:31:35 <nate37> heh
19:31:43 <nate37> playing that lion king cd i ripped from ya, aye? :)
19:31:52 <air> uhh no
19:32:02 <nate37> "BAM BAM.. hikkuttaaaa mattaaaaa what i wonderful name DIE" heh
19:32:25 <air> ok esd is donw now sound will work
19:32:31 <air> i hate apps that dont support esd
19:32:34 <nate37> heh
19:32:37 <air> oh wait
19:32:39 <nate37> donw?
19:32:48 <air> maybe it will work with that wrapper
19:33:27 <air> damn
19:33:30 <nate37> ?
19:33:34 <air> it dont
19:33:51 <nate37> /
19:33:59 <air> [brand@p0wer /usr/local/games/quake2]>> esddsp quake2 +set vid_ref softx
19:34:02 <air> Sorry but your soundcard can't do this
19:34:08 <nate37> heh
19:36:12 <air> i cant even read the options
19:36:31 <air> hmm
19:36:48 <nate37> ?
19:36:50 <nate37> heh
19:37:00 <nate37> go to video
19:37:03 <nate37> and make it bigger
19:37:05 <air> its a 640 window on a 1600 desktop
19:37:20 <air> it wouldnt let me change it cuz config was owned by root
19:37:39 <nate37> hah
19:38:49 <air> at hmm
19:39:02 <air> its only drawing in halfthe window
19:39:30 <air> do u have the window client?
19:40:33 <air> hello?
19:41:03 <ree> yep, quality development here in #osdev =)
19:41:24 <air> ree: hey i got a shitload done in brix yesterday
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19:44:30 <ree> well, you could of filled a toilet bowel by the time you got q2 up heh
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19:48:18 <air> Aardappel: hey do u have quake2?
19:48:31 <Aardappel> hi
19:48:35 <Aardappel> yes
19:48:39 <air> for windows?
19:48:48 <Aardappel> yup
19:49:00 <air> can i have the client?
19:49:09 <Aardappel> um
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19:49:18 <Aardappel> why dont you get the 3.20 package
19:49:18 <air> i have quake2 for linux
19:49:24 <Aardappel> it contains the latest client
19:49:35 <Aardappel> sure
19:49:47 <Aardappel> 3.20 for windows is what you want then
19:49:58 <air> i have 3.2
19:50:15 <air> there was a file with that version in its name
19:50:17 <Aardappel> for windows?
19:50:28 <air> it didnt come with the windows client
19:50:36 <air> unless nate removed it
19:50:38 <Aardappel> coz you need dlls and stuff too
19:50:44 <Aardappel> well get that then :)
19:50:48 <air> ya i need the exe and dll's
19:50:48 <Aardappel> easy
19:56:57 <nate37> ?
19:57:15 <air> nate37_win: do u have the windows stuff?
19:58:34 <nate37> nope
19:58:36 <nate37> lar does i thin
19:58:38 <nate37> k
19:58:50 <nate37> heh
19:59:09 <air> i cant play in linux
19:59:36 <air> it only draws in half the window
20:00:16 <nate37> heh
20:00:35 <air> and i think i have to have the nv kernel mod installed before i start X for opengl to work
20:01:39 <air> ------- Loading ref_glx.so -------
20:01:40 <air> ref_gl version: GL 0.01
20:01:40 <air> ref_gl::R_Init() - could not load "opengl32"
20:01:48 <air>  /usr/local/games/quake2/opengl32: cannot open shared object file: No such file o
20:03:20 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
20:03:20 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: line 19: syntax error: unexpected end of file
20:03:30 <nate37> h3y wh@+'s up?
20:03:33 <nate37> heh
20:03:36 [QUIT] tirloni quit: night all
20:03:44 <nate37> hmm
20:03:46 <air> uhh
20:04:02 <nate37> @1r: jus+ us3 svg@l1b s0 w3 c@n pl@y?
20:04:02 <air> whats up with you
20:04:07 <air> damnit
20:04:12 <nate37> 1'v3 b3c0m3 @ l33+ h@x0r :(
20:04:22 <nate37> heh
20:04:34 <air> i have scripts to do that too
20:05:06 <nate37> 1 ju5+ m@d3 0n3 r1gh+ n0w
20:05:15 <nate37> )
20:05:17 <air> bitchx has that built in
20:05:28 <nate37> or lemme make it so that it will do smileys differetly
20:05:35 <nate37>  /exec -o ~/leet "i just made one right now"
20:05:46 <air> uhh
20:06:00 <air> my script just converts what i normally type
20:06:00 <nate37> >8P
20:06:04 <nate37> heh
20:06:07 <nate37> mine is shell script
20:06:10 <air> i just turn it on or off
20:06:14 <nate37> m1n3 1z 5h3ll 5cr1p+
20:06:17 <nate37> w1+h 53d
20:06:22 <nate37>  /exec -o ~/leet "with sed"
20:06:23 <nate37> )
20:06:57 <air> $eleet("$0-")
20:07:04 <air> bitchx command
20:07:22 <air> ALIAS csay say $cparse("$0-")
20:07:22 <air> ALIAS ksay say $eleet("$0-")
20:07:22 <air> ALIAS kcsay say $cparse($eleet("$0-"))
20:07:32 <nate37>  /exec -o ~/leet "[penis]"
20:07:35 <nate37> woops
20:07:38 <nate37> sed: -e expression #1, char 59: Unterminated `s' command
20:07:40 <nate37> ugh
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20:07:45 [MODE] ChanServ set mode: +o Tril
20:08:00 <nate37> damn now i cna't do it while tril's in here
20:08:02 <nate37> fine i will
20:08:04 <nate37>  
20:08:04 <nate37> ==============) 
20:08:04 <nate37>  \\  j00 5ux0r 
20:08:04 <nate37> \)) 
20:08:06 <Tril> wha
20:08:11 <nate37> heh
20:08:17 <nate37> playing with sed :)
20:08:19 <Tril> you cant flood the channel?
20:08:23 <nate37> pl@y1ng w1+h 53d
20:08:25 <nate37> heh
20:09:06 <air> ah i disabled the input parsing
20:09:14 <nate37> hmm?
20:09:46 <air> test
20:12:24 <nate37> heh
20:12:29 <nate37> +35+
20:12:32 <nate37> hah
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20:28:42 <lar1> locore: I'd rather he not.  He doesn't have perms to do so, either
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20:29:05 <locore> What would you do if he somehow hacked around it and overwrote your entire HD? (-:
20:29:05 <nate37> sed: -e expression #1, char 172: Unterminated `s' command
20:29:22 <lar1> I would be moderately purturbed :P
20:29:24 <air> no ssh?
20:29:24 <air> oh duh
20:29:43 <nate37> sed: -e expression #1, char 172: Unterminated `s' command
20:29:44 <air> i dont have an ssh hole to yer box
20:29:57 <nate37> sed: -e expression #1, char 200: Unterminated `s' command
20:29:58 <ink> h04h4!!  1 m4d3 4 bx p1ug1n +0 uz3 my funky 11++13 p3r1 133+zp34k +y0ng13
20:30:15 <air> lar1: i dont know my passwd
20:30:32 <ink> +h4+ zux0rz f0r j00 n0w, d0n'+ 1+?
20:30:42 <ink> hahahahaha
20:30:43 <lar1> air:  Well, what do you want it re-set to?
20:30:46 <ink> that is cool
20:30:59 <locore> reset it to "larsux"
20:31:02 <ink> heh
20:31:03 <air> lar1: 1234asdf
20:31:04 <locore> (-:
20:31:21 <lar1> done
20:31:24 <ink> heh
20:31:37 ink should really get back to his ASM
20:31:43 <lar1> what are you coding?
20:31:50 ink should get back to his ASM
20:31:52 <ink> oh
20:31:57 <ink> wtf???
20:32:01 <nate37> hmm 5u(k.
20:32:07 <ink> my /me's do not appear on my screen anymore!!!
20:32:15 <nate37> hmm 5u(k.
20:32:23 <nate37> @
20:32:24 <nate37> hmm
20:32:32 <nate37> 5ux0r
20:32:34 <nate37> 5u(k.
20:32:42 <lar1> bbl
20:32:43 <nate37> 5u(k.
20:32:45 <nate37> 5u(k5.
20:32:46 <nate37> k
20:32:59 ink testing
20:33:01 <ink> HAH!
20:33:03 <ink> erm
20:33:04 <ink> YAY!
20:33:19 <ink> lar1: I am working on the TTP bootloader
20:33:24 <air> nate37_win: please fix yer shell
20:33:36 <air> ctrl-d no works
20:33:39 <ink> heh
20:34:42 <nate37> 5u(k5.
20:35:01 <nate37> 5ux0r
20:35:07 <nate37> heh
20:35:12 <ink> h4v1ng fun +h3r3, n4+3?
20:35:35 <nate37> 5ux0r
20:35:38 <nate37> 5ux0r 
20:35:40 <nate37> 5ux0rd 
20:35:42 <nate37> grr
20:35:45 <ink> heh
20:35:51 <ink> r1-111-1gh+
20:35:56 <ink> P
20:36:03 <nate37> 5u(k3rd 
20:36:07 <nate37> 5ux0r 
20:36:10 <nate37> 5ux0r. 
20:36:11 <nate37> nice
20:36:15 <nate37> heh ink
20:36:29 <nate37>  
20:36:29 <nate37>   ------ 
20:36:29 <nate37>  | 0  0 |   g1mm3 @ hug!! 
20:36:29 <nate37>  |__^___| 
20:36:29 <nate37>     || 
20:36:30 <nate37>     || 
20:36:32 <nate37> heh
20:36:43 <ink> gah
20:36:45 <nate37>  
20:36:46 <nate37> ==============) 
20:36:46 <nate37>  \\  j00 5ux0r 
20:36:46 <nate37> \)) 
20:36:47 ink is scared
20:37:33 <nate37> 5u(kz
20:37:36 <nate37> 5ux0r
20:37:39 <nate37> 5ux0r 
20:37:40 <nate37> grr
20:38:42 <nate37> +h@+ 5ux0r!
20:38:42 ink takes lar's place...   S:N!
20:38:50 <nate37> h3h
20:39:28 <nate37> +1m3 f0r "h@(k3r'z (0rn3r" >8P
20:39:45 <locore> wh4t?
20:39:56 <nate37> sed: -e expression #1, char 171: Unmatched ( or \(
20:39:56 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/ck$/x0r/g: No such file or directory
20:39:56 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/cks([: No such file or directory
20:39:56 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: !?]\)/x0r\1/g
20:39:56 <nate37> s/cks$/x0r/g
20:39:57 <nate37> s/cker\([ .,;!?])/x0r1/g: No such file or directory
20:39:59 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/cker$/x0r/g: No such file or directory
20:40:01 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/s([: No such file or directory
20:40:01 <locore> h@(k3r'z (0rn3r
20:40:03 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: !?]\)/z\1/g
20:40:05 <nate37> s/s$/z/g
20:40:07 <nate37> s/person/d00d/g
20:40:09 <nate37> s/dude/d00d/g
20:40:11 <nate37> s/guy/d00d/g
20:40:13 <nate37> s/you/j00/g
20:40:15 <nate37> s/[Tt]/+/g
20:40:17 <nate37> s/a/@/g
20:40:19 <nate37> s/i/1/g
20:40:21 <nate37> s/e/3/g
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20:40:23 <nate37> s/o/0/g
20:40:25 <nate37> s/s/5/g
20:40:27 <nate37> s/c/(/g
20:40:29 <nate37> s/l/|/g
20:40:31 <nate37> s/:)/>8P/g
20:40:33 <nate37>  No such file or directory
20:40:35 <nate37> wtf
20:40:39 <nate37> sed: -e expression #1, char 172: Unmatched ( or \(
20:40:41 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/ck$/x0r/g: No such file or directory
20:40:43 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/cks([: No such file or directory
20:40:45 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: !?'])/x0r1/g: No such file or directory
20:40:47 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/cks$/x0r/g: No such file or directory
20:40:49 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/cker([: No such file or directory
20:40:51 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: !?'])/x0r1/g: No such file or directory
20:40:53 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/cker$/x0r/g: No such file or directory
20:40:55 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/s([: No such file or directory
20:40:57 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: !?'])/z1/g: No such file or directory
20:40:59 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/s$/z/g: No such file or directory
20:41:01 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/person/d00d/g: No such file or directory
20:41:03 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/dude/d00d/g: No such file or directory
20:41:05 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/guy/d00d/g: No such file or directory
20:41:06 <ink> hahahahaha
20:41:07 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/you/j00/g: No such file or directory
20:41:09 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/[Tt]/+/g: No such file or directory
20:41:11 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/a/@/g: No such file or directory
20:41:13 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/i/1/g: No such file or directory
20:41:13 <locore> What is happening????
20:41:15 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/e/3/g: No such file or directory
20:41:17 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/o/0/g: No such file or directory
20:41:19 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: s/s/5/g: No such file or directory
20:41:21 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: line 41: syntax error near unexpected token `s/c/(/g'
20:41:23 <nate37> /home/nate/leet: line 41: `s/c/(/g'
20:41:25 <nate37> eek
20:41:29 <nate37> don't mind me
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20:41:36 <ink> hahahahaha
20:42:05 nate37 joined #osdev
20:42:09 <nate37> heh i was ashamed
20:42:30 <nate37> h3h 1 w@z @5h@m3d :(
20:42:57 <ink> heh  :P
20:43:09 <ink> h0, 1 w4z 4zh4m3d
20:43:20 <ink> hehehehe
20:43:28 <locore> ashamed? why?
20:43:32 <ink> h03h03
20:43:34 <ink> damn
20:43:37 <ink> need to fix that
20:43:40 <nate37> heh
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20:44:34 <nate37>  /exec ~/leet "fuck you all! you all suck! i hope yuou all go to hell! #osdev sucks!!!!!"
20:44:34 <ink> air: lodsb?
20:44:36 <nate37> woops
20:44:44 <ink> heh
20:44:48 <ink> riiight
20:44:50 <nate37> fux0r j00 @||! j00 @|| 5ux0r! 1 h0p3 yu0u @|| g0 +0 h3||! #05d3v 5ux0r!!!!!
20:44:57 <nate37> HAHAHA
20:44:59 <nate37> fux0r
20:44:59 <ink> fux0r j00 d00dz! j00 d00dz zux0r! 1 h0p3 yu0u d00dz g0 +0
20:45:00 <ink>           hell! #osdev sucks!!!!!
20:45:02 <ink> oops
20:45:04 nate37 laughing
20:45:04 <nate37> hahahaha
20:45:23 <ink>  /leet #osdev whatever you wish to say  :)
20:45:50 <nate37> wh@+3v3r j00 w15h +0 5@y  >8P
20:45:57 <nate37>  /exec -o ~/leet "whatever you wish to say  :)"
20:45:59 <ink> wh4+3v3r j00 w1zh +0 z4y  :)
20:46:16 <nate37> like how mine changes :)'s?
20:46:18 <nate37> and also
20:46:19 <ink> air: what does lodsb do?
20:46:25 <nate37> 5ux0r
20:46:27 <nate37> notice
20:46:28 <nate37> sucks
20:46:31 <ink> right
20:46:34 <nate37> ermm wait
20:46:37 <ink> I think the s => 5 is not good
20:46:40 <nate37> f00z b@r15h
20:46:49 <nate37> notice s -> 5 in some cases
20:46:54 <nate37> that was foos barish
20:46:56 <nate37> 5 in some
20:46:58 <nate37> z in others
20:46:59 <ree> bbiab
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20:47:10 <ink> is air around?
20:47:15 ink is trying ot code
20:47:52 <nate37> 1z +h1z 1||3g@b|3 y3+?
20:47:54 <nate37>  /exec -o ~/leet "is this illegable yet?"
20:47:55 <nate37> )
20:50:09 <ink> 1z +y0z 1113g4b13 y3+?
20:50:13 <ink>  /leet #osdev is this illegable yet?
20:50:57 <nate37> heh
20:51:59 <air> and the direction flag determines which way string instructions go
20:52:18 <ink> cool
20:52:18 <nate37> hmm?
20:52:25 <nate37> f00b@r
20:52:28 <air> cld will make them go forward(increment esi/edi)
20:52:29 <nate37> hmm
20:52:38 <air> std makes them go backwards
20:52:45 <nate37> ||@||@|@||@|@|@@@
20:52:46 <nate37> heh
20:53:00 <ink> I see
20:53:26 <ink> so you need to have a cld in there?
20:53:34 <air> yes
20:53:38 <ink> I see
20:58:05 <nate37> n33d3d '8' 1n +h3r3 83(@u53
20:58:12 <nate37>  /exec -o ~/leet "needed 'b' in there because"
20:59:51 <nate37> |)...
21:00:36 <nate37> n0w 1'm @|m05+ (0mp|3+3|y n0+ r3@|)@8|3 h3h
21:01:45 <nate37> n0w 1'/\/\ @|/\/\05+ (0/\/\p|3+3|y n0+ r3@|)@8|3 h3h
21:02:55 <ink> ay
21:03:09 <ink> I'm not even going to try to decode that
21:03:19 <nate37>  /exec -o ~/leet "now i'm almost completely not readable heh"
21:03:25 <nate37> |\|0w 1'/\/\ @|/\/\05+ (0/\/\p|3+3|y |\|0+ r3@|)@8|3 h3h
21:03:39 <ink> no, I can read that
21:03:45 <nate37> heh
21:03:45 <ink> it's actually quite easy
21:03:51 <ink> hhehe
21:03:53 <nate37> |\|0 1+ 15|\|'+, 5h@|)|)up
21:03:58 <ink> I am just kinda busy
21:04:15 <ink> no it isn't, shaddup
21:04:18 <ink> P
21:04:37 <ink> heehee
21:05:13 <air> ok downloading the windows install from lar
21:05:20 <nate37> g0 +0 |\3||
21:05:37 <nate37> |\ == hell :)
21:05:38 <nate37> emrm h
21:05:42 <nate37> 3|| == ell
21:05:42 <ink> cool
21:05:54 <ink> heh
21:06:33 <nate37> f00 8@rh h3|| h3h3h3 ~~ h3hhr r3w
21:06:38 <nate37> erg
21:06:46 <nate37> f00 8@rh h3|| h3h3h3 ~~ h3hhr r3w
21:06:52 <nate37> why no translation of h???
21:07:07 <nate37> f00 8@r/ /3|| /3/3/3 ~~ /3//r r3w
21:07:15 <nate37> f00 8@r& &3|| &3&3&3 ~~ &3&&r r3w
21:07:18 <nate37> there we go heh
21:07:36 <ink> aye aye aye
21:07:49 <nate37> |\|0w +&1z 1z r3@||y (00| (@u53 j00 (@|\|'+ r3@|) 1+ |0|
21:08:09 <nate37> i think i am making it more readable heh 
21:08:10 <ink> actually, nate, I can read it
21:08:17 <ink> yes, you are
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21:09:01 <nate37> |\|0w +&1z 1z ~3@||_ (00| (@u53 j00 (@|\|'+ ~3@|) 1+ |0|
21:09:18 <nate37> 8w@&@&&@@& u|\|~3@|)@8|3
21:12:03 <ink> my god
21:12:05 <air> OH FUCK
21:12:05 <air> FUCK FUCK FUCK
21:12:38 <ink> air: what is si again?
21:12:41 <ink> eh?
21:12:51 <nate37> /\/\_ g0|)
21:12:52 <air> NOW I AM PISSED
21:12:55 <nate37> fux0~ fux0~ fux0~
21:12:55 <ink> what?
21:13:02 <nate37> |\|0w 1 @/\/\ p1553|)
21:13:07 <nate37> what?
21:13:12 <ink> stop that, please
21:13:12 <nate37> you deleted them?
21:13:38 <air> i meant to type "mv dirname/* anotherdir"
21:13:38 <air> but missed the /
21:13:38 <air> and got "mv dirname * anotherdir"
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21:14:03 <ink> hmm
21:14:06 <ink> what happened?
21:14:07 <nate37> hmm
21:14:26 <air> relocated my entire ~ to another part of my filesystem
21:14:33 <ink> hahahahaha
21:14:36 <ink> lofl
21:14:49 <ink> that can be fixed, tho
21:15:03 <ink> I thought you had deleted BRiX or something
21:15:14 <air> great
21:15:18 <nate37> heh
21:15:39 <ink> <ink> air: what is si again?
21:16:02 <air> my entire home dir is in a file
21:16:02 <air> 2gig of stuff lost
21:16:02 <air> brix, all my brix backups
21:16:08 <nate37> i've done bad things before too heh
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21:16:49 <air> the file is about 100k
21:16:53 <ink> ummm
21:17:18 <ink> that is muy not good
21:17:25 <nate37> ~33: &1! &0w @~3 j00. 5u(k_ 5u(k_ 5u(k_ >8P
21:17:32 <ink> grr
21:17:36 <air> si is a register
21:17:36 <air> source index
21:17:36 <air> di is destination index
21:17:40 <nate37>  /exec -o ~/leet "ree: hi! how are you. sucky sucky sucky :)"
21:17:45 <ink> tnx
21:17:47 <nate37> heh
21:17:50 <nate37> needed something to say
21:17:54 <ree> hey nate =)
21:18:03 <nate37> i was hoping it would trasnlate suck to sux0r but it didn't :(
21:18:04 <ree> sucky sucky!
21:18:13 <nate37> ug&
21:18:17 <nate37> heh
21:18:26 <nate37> (@|\| j00 ~3@|) +&1z, ~33?
21:18:37 <ink> from what does lodsb load?  bp?
21:18:43 <ink> erm
21:18:45 <ink> can I say...
21:18:52 <ink> mov bp, msg1
21:18:56 <ree> what are you learning asm for ink?
21:19:05 <ink> mm?
21:19:10 <ink> oh, I already know it
21:19:14 <nate37> +&3-3.. ju5+ f1x3|) 8ug
21:19:15 <ink> just not as well as I should
21:19:17 <air> nate37_win: i thinks thats about enuf
21:19:18 <ree> relearning then
21:19:20 ink is coding stuff
21:19:27 nate37 does too heh
21:19:28 <ink> yeah
21:19:31 <ree> care to elaborate on stuuff? heh
21:19:36 <ink> boot loader
21:20:01 ink wrote a function to print text using air's crazy lodsb scheme  )
21:20:09 <ink> now I need to implement it  :)
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21:20:52 <air> lodsb al,[esi]
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21:21:16 <alterego> hehe
21:21:26 <alterego> im on my quadra :)
21:21:31 <nate37> &111 @|+3-.. w@|\||\|@ 83 |33+ &@x0- |1k3 /\/\3?
21:22:26 <air> lodsb = "mov al,[esi] ; inc esi"
21:22:43 <ink> hey
21:22:44 <ink> alter
21:22:46 <ree> alter, 6??
21:22:51 <ink> I am about to compile new code
21:22:53 <ink> and test it
21:22:55 <ree> what version of quadra was it
21:22:59 <ree> I'm on my quadra right now too heh
21:23:00 <ink> can you send me nasm for lin?
21:23:01 <alterego> 605
21:23:06 <ree> nasm.2y.net
21:23:14 <air> cept it takes like 3 cycles so its slower
21:23:14 <air> but it takes up less spac
21:23:14 <air> e
21:23:14 <air> so if yer going for small then use lods else use mov/inc
21:23:33 <alterego> ink: what did you fix?
21:23:40 <ink> my string printing  :)
21:24:10 <alterego> cool
21:24:17 <ink> heh
21:24:23 <ree> I run my 800 at 1024x768
21:24:24 <ink> air: how does bp relate to si?
21:24:30 <ree> it's nice at that res
21:24:34 <ink> or are they related?
21:24:43 <nate37> i run 16-bit depth at 1280x1024
21:24:55 <ree> we're talking about macs heh
21:24:56 <nate37> www.nate37.net/~nate/screenshot.jpg :)
21:25:00 <nate37> ahh heh
21:25:06 <ree> you don't count inteller =)
21:25:13 <alterego> im acutally on dialup :)
21:25:20 <ree> cool
21:25:25 <ree> I connect through a null modem
21:25:32 <ree> to unix and run ppp
21:25:32 <alterego> telnetted into bespin and into my box
21:25:50 <ree> then I connect that box through to the other in the other room using nat
21:25:56 <ree> which also runs nat and connects to the net
21:26:13 <ree> since these two boxes are used for development
21:26:27 <ree> I need to pop out the 90mhz and run it along side heh
21:26:47 <ink> heh
21:26:55 <alterego> i need another linux box in the garage cause i cant run a serial cable under the house :)
21:27:10 <air> i run 32bit at 1600x1200
21:27:10 <air> ink: it doesnt
21:27:22 <ree> rice bowl time!
21:27:27 ree eating healthy food heh
21:27:33 <ree> I have eaten the worse shit the past few days
21:27:46 <ink> air: ah
21:28:21 <ink> air: can I mov si, msg1?
21:30:21 <air> ink: yes
21:30:36 <ink> nice
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21:31:38 <nate37> ωνω SignOff nate37_win: #chickenlegs,#dragon,#osdev,#stampede (<air> finally)
21:31:40 <nate37> )
21:31:56 <nate37> ree: heh
21:32:06 <nate37> ree: vegtables == baaad
21:32:17 <alterego> my quadra is fun...hehe
21:32:31 <alterego> viva dialup! w00t!
21:32:33 <nate37> heh
21:33:05 <ink> clear
21:33:06 <ink> oops
21:33:07 <ink> damnit
21:33:18 <ink> alterego : don't get started with leetspeak
21:33:36 <ink> 1 h4v3 m4d3 4 p3r1 z(r1p+ 4nd 4 bx p1ug1n z0 1 h4v3 /133+  :)
21:33:50 <alterego> HO!HOHO!
21:33:55 <ink> heh
21:33:57 <ink> h0h0h0h0h0
21:34:44 <ree> nate, heh, this has tons of shit in it, I was being sarcastic when I said healthy =)
21:34:56 <ree> nate, but only manly guys eat veges
21:35:01 <ink> brb
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21:35:35 <nate37> hmm
21:35:37 <alterego> i missed the modem noises
21:35:43 <ree> girly men eat processed food with color additives to make them "perrty"
21:35:54 <nate37> ree: heh
21:35:56 <ree> take the brocolli straight!
21:36:06 <nate37> oriental food all the way... .
21:36:21 <nate37> those noodle things.. yoki soba or yoki udon or whatever
21:36:22 <nate37> heh
21:36:25 <alterego> Lee's Village!
21:36:27 <nate37> and beef teraki and sushi
21:36:28 <nate37> heh
21:36:29 <alterego> hehehehehe
21:36:34 <ree> if you want to be five feet tall with a five centimeter pecker =)
21:36:40 <nate37> hahhaha
21:36:44 <ree> girly mqn
21:36:46 <ree> man
21:36:58 <nate37> what am i suppose to eat? "meat and potatoes"? :(
21:37:05 <nate37> steak is good tho... .
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21:37:21 <ree> now you know what they mean when they say they are 5'5
21:37:42 <nate37> wait
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21:37:53 <nate37> if its a 5 cenimeter pecker..
21:37:54 <ink> that didnt work quite right
21:37:57 <nate37> how come its so crowded there?
21:37:58 <ink> umm!
21:38:04 <nate37> heh
21:38:09 <ink> I leave for a minute!
21:38:11 <ink> gah
21:38:20 ink takes out some stuff and tests again
21:38:24 <air> uhh doesnt apache let u specify mime types by extension?
21:38:53 <nate37> umm it should
21:39:05 <nate37> application/pdf                 pdf
21:39:08 <nate37> in mine.types
21:39:19 <nate37> text/sgml                       sgml sgm
21:39:25 <nate37> # MIME type                     Extension
21:39:37 <ink> brb again
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21:41:44 <ink> grr
21:41:46 <ink> still bad
21:41:48 <ink> and no smiley
21:41:50 ink tests something...
21:41:52 <alterego> hehe
21:41:57 <air> where does it look for mime.types?
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21:42:47 <ink> hey
21:42:50 <fotoplasma> yo
21:42:50 <ink> brb
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21:43:11 <alterego> mac-y style! 
21:43:21 alterego should run a web server on this )
21:43:25 <fotoplasma> no
21:43:28 <fotoplasma> he shouldnt
21:43:41 <fotoplasma> on the dialup?
21:43:50 <fotoplasma> ha
21:43:54 fotoplasma laughs
21:43:58 <alterego> yes :)
21:44:06 <alterego> well, ttfn all
21:44:09 <alterego> bbl
21:44:11 <fotoplasma> laterz
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21:44:59 <nate37> air: how much aperage do you think a 286 PS would have?
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21:45:12 <ink> weird
21:45:12 <nate37> wb
21:45:14 <ink> funky.asm still worked
21:45:21 <nate37> heh
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21:47:55 <ink> brb again
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21:50:43 <ink> rehi
21:50:45 <ink> hmm
21:54:19 <nate37> wb
21:54:38 <ink> brb again
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21:56:55 <ink> hmm
21:56:58 <ink> rehi all
21:57:00 <ink> this is odd
21:57:24 <ink> it should print "This is a test."
21:57:41 <ink> instead it prints ASCII 0xEF
21:57:46 <ink> hrm
21:58:14 <ink> does anybody know where I can find info on the functions of int 10?
21:58:19 <ink> like helppc for linux?
21:58:24 <ink> or smth?
22:00:25 <ink> maybe now it'll work
22:00:26 <ink> brb
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22:03:06 <nate37> wb
22:03:09 nate37 yawns
22:03:09 <ink> damnit, this is getting annoying
22:03:11 <ink> rehi
22:04:33 ink tries air's print code
22:06:06 <ink> brb
22:06:10 [QUIT] ink quit: test
22:07:38 <ree> night all =)
22:07:41 [QUIT] ree quit: Disconnecting
22:07:42 <nate37> night
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22:08:43 <ink> that didnt work either
22:08:48 <ink> printed 3 characters instead of 1  :P
22:10:49 <air> poor ink :)
22:11:00 <ink> heh
22:11:15 <ink> do I have to put the si in brackets when I mov si, msg?
22:11:19 <ink> or smth like that?
22:11:24 ink grunts
22:11:37 <ink> and contemplates going to wathc casablanca with his parents
22:11:45 <ink> hmmm
22:12:03 <ink> jmp Begin
22:12:11 <ink> msg     db      'This is a test.',0x0A,0x0D,0x00
22:12:20 <ink> print:
22:12:20 <ink>         mov ah, 0x0e                    ; BIOS command to write characters
22:12:20 <ink>         xor bx, bx                      ; I am not in gfx mode 0x13
22:12:20 <ink>         mov bl, 0x07                    ; The standard low-int. white
22:12:27 <ink> .charloop:                              ; Start printing
22:12:27 <ink>         mov al, [si]
22:12:27 <ink>         inc si
22:12:27 <ink>         int 0x10                        ; Print it
22:12:32 <ink>         cmp byte [si], 0x00             ; Is it equal to 0?
22:12:33 <ink>         jne .charloop                   ; If not, print the next character
22:12:36 <ink>         ret                             ; Fin.
22:12:46 <ink> Begin:
22:12:46 <ink>         mov si, msg
22:12:46 <ink>         call print
22:12:46 <ink>         jmp $
22:12:46 <ink>         dw 0xaa55
22:13:28 <ink> why that no work?
22:13:41 <air> the 0xaa55 needs to be the last two bytes of the boot sector
22:13:49 <ink> hmm
22:13:58 <air> u need to put the times statement before it
22:14:03 <ink> yeah
22:14:08 <ink> I don't think taht is the problem, tho
22:14:46 ink adds it and tests
22:15:08 <ink> brb
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22:17:09 <ink> nope
22:17:11 <ink> the chars
22:17:17 <ink> I got one before because I used function 9 insted of e
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22:39:05 <air> yup
22:39:05 <air> i didnt download the splash dir so the windows installer doesnt work
22:39:52 <air> and q2 is unstable when i run it from the installation files
22:39:52 <air> so i gotta dl it real quick
22:39:52 <air> 10 minutes and i will be ready
22:40:04 <nate37> hmm
22:40:09 <nate37> k
22:56:57 <air> ready?
23:03:16 <nate37> eck
23:03:17 <nate37> sure
23:03:29 <nate37> me or you as sserver?
23:03:58 <air> not sure if its gonna work
23:04:00 <air> u
23:04:09 <air> it crashed when i do player setup
23:04:12 <nate37> heh
23:04:38 <nate37> ready
23:04:47 <nate37> 24.21.109.104
23:04:49 <nate37> nate37.net
23:07:16 <nate37> >
23:07:17 <nate37> ?
23:07:24 <air> how do i do that
23:08:02 <nate37> umm
23:08:04 <nate37> multiplayer
23:08:06 <nate37> address book
23:08:08 <nate37> "nate37.net"
23:08:10 <nate37> refresh list
23:08:15 <nate37> do it until something pops up
23:08:17 <air> ugh
23:08:19 <nate37> select enter
23:08:30 <air> it said "noname:wrong version"
23:08:46 <nate37> ?
23:08:57 <nate37> keep trying
23:08:58 <air> i think its because i have the win client from lar's cd and yers is upgraded
23:09:37 <air> i have 3.05 and u have 3.20
23:10:09 <nate37> damnm
23:10:44 <nate37> try in linux?
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23:10:46 <air> im gonna see if i can play in linux
23:10:56 <air> i dunno tho
23:10:59 <alterego> ink: how goes the testing??
23:11:09 <air> cuz it only displays half the window
23:11:58 <nate37> k
23:12:17 <nate37> play svgalib if have to
23:16:08 <air> i dont have svgalib
23:17:01 <nate37> grr
23:17:03 <nate37> download it
23:17:04 <nate37> heh
23:19:37 <nate37> can you get it to work or not?
23:19:45 <air> ya hold
23:20:29 <alterego> is ink not here?
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23:22:44 <nate37> he watching movie
23:23:18 <alterego> oh
23:23:19 <alterego> ok
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23:25:34 <nate37> hmm
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23:39:27 <lar1> air
23:39:31 <lar1> Didja get q2 ok?
23:39:40 <air> well
23:39:48 <air> it wont work with opengl in x
23:39:56 <air> but i got it to work with svgalib
23:40:04 <nate37> hmm
23:40:06 <lar1> ok
23:40:09 <nate37> k
23:40:10 <air> but when i quit it lost my console
23:40:15 <air> so now i cant use p0were
23:40:15 <nate37> ?
23:40:26 <air> it wont give me back my console
23:40:46 <nate37> heh
23:40:50 <nate37> we gonna play at all?
23:40:55 <lar1> ReBoot her
23:41:02 <nate37> btw
23:41:07 <nate37> how did you get your hostname
23:41:09 <nate37> like borg.qzx.com
23:41:13 <lar1> Static IP
23:41:16 <nate37> to have it reverse lookup
23:41:52 <air> its a real static ip with a real hostname
23:41:53 <nate37> ?
23:42:15 <air> its just like when someone from bespin comes on here
23:43:07 <lar1> He owns his IPs
23:43:10 <air> how do i get my friggen console back?
23:43:21 <nate37> how?
23:43:24 <lar1> air:  Dunno, I have hte same problem with other programs.
23:43:27 <nate37> i can't even own my own ip heh
23:43:32 <air> and how do i make it so i can run svgalib quake2 as a user
23:43:33 <lar1> nate37:  Buy a static IP from your ISP :P
23:43:35 <nate37> i never had that problem
23:43:41 <nate37> (
23:46:55 <air> this is why i dont play games in linux
23:46:55 <nate37> heh
23:47:38 <lar1> Then play in win :P
23:48:55 <nate37> heh he can't
23:48:57 <nate37> ohh wait
23:48:58 <nate37> mhm
23:49:00 <nate37> air: try win with lar.cx
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23:49:30 <nate37> air: try win with lar.cx
23:49:48 <air_> eh?
23:50:33 <air_> he has wrong version
23:50:40 <lar1> Get the patch
23:50:53 <air_> do u have it?
23:50:55 <nate37> damn
23:51:11 <lar1> 6ya
23:51:24 <air_> where
23:52:34 <lar1> /archive
23:52:53 <lar1> q2...blahblah
23:53:09 <air_> 19meg?
23:53:17 <lar1> ya
23:53:24 <nate37> ugh
23:53:52 <air_> screw that
23:54:23 <air_> that has the pak1 file in it
23:54:38 <lar1> grab it from me
23:54:50 <lar1> /archive/quake2
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23:55:13 <air_> i have that
23:55:36 <nate37> he has pak0.pak, pak1.pak and pak2.pak
23:55:44 <nate37> he needs upgrade to 3.20 of client
23:56:42 <lar1> 19MB
23:56:44 <lar1> .:0
23:56:49 <lar1> >;) even
23:56:58 <air_> 19meg at 1k/s
23:57:57 <air_> already downloaded 100meg for this stupid game
23:58:17 <air_> im not redownloading what i already have
23:59:10 <lar1> So decompresse it
23:59:16 <lar1> You can run unzip on it
23:59:22 <lar1> (the exe)
00:00:13 <lar1> Just do it in /archive/brand