00:01:07 <air> but if the compiler was finished tomorrow night i would be willing to opensource brix after i got $1.5million
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00:11:21 <air> hmm i woulda stayed home from school if i could make $10,000
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07:42:56 <ree> hehe
07:43:07 <ree> seems almost gay hah
07:43:50 <lar1> ree
07:43:55 <lar1> can't talk now
07:43:57 <lar1> so hey
07:43:58 <lar1> and later
07:43:59 <lar1> )
07:44:19 <ree> hah
07:44:22 <ree> hey bud, later =)
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07:50:19 <ree> hey jalh
07:50:58 <JALH> heya
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07:52:39 <ree> I'm thinking about creating a named pipe so I can dynamically configure the server without restarting it
07:53:02 <ree> not sure if that is the best way though
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08:28:06 <JALH> hi
08:29:24 <SDmitry> hiya!
08:33:29 <ree> hehe
08:33:32 <ree> hey sdmitry
08:36:56 <SDmitry> Anybody knows where to get any info about robots, and how to make them? :)
08:37:31 <ree> hehe
08:37:39 <ree> lego robotics =)
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08:38:31 <SDmitry> no, i mean real robots, but not toys =)
08:40:28 <ree> yahoo would be a good start
08:40:44 <ree> use it to find a university that does robotic work
08:40:53 <ree> then you'll have all the information you need
08:41:07 <ree> as lots of professors and students post free postscripts or papers
08:41:57 <SDmitry> cool
08:43:45 <SDmitry> ree: where are you from? :)
08:44:17 <ree> arizona
08:44:21 <ree> you?
08:45:20 <SDmitry> ree: great, can you tell me how much does p100 notebooks cost in arizona?
08:45:34 <JALH> uhh
08:45:37 <JALH> they dont sell them
08:45:46 <ree> he probably meant used
08:46:05 <ree> sd, people still rip you off when it comes to notebooks
08:46:36 <SDmitry> ree: me - russia =)
08:46:37 <SDmitry> JALH: hehe, why?
08:46:56 <ree> heh
08:47:19 <ree> hey sd, you interested in network programming?
08:48:57 <SDmitry> ree: no :0)
08:49:59 <ree> hehe
08:50:11 <ree> robotics is basically just that
08:51:40 <SDmitry> ree: if it will be needed - i`ll learn that =)
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09:12:55 <JALH> re
09:13:38 <Aardappel> hi
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09:27:40 <ree> hehe
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10:02:08 <ree> re xef4
10:02:39 <XeF4> re
10:03:17 <ree> I think I have to write a elf interpreter
10:03:38 <ree> since I don't think the os itself is good enough for handling the way I want to load modules
10:04:23 <XeF4> you mean elf loader?
10:04:42 <ree> interpreter and loader
10:04:49 <ree> loader is just more of a direct word heh
10:05:03 <ree> thankfully there is a lot of code out there 
10:08:55 <ree> this will be interesting heh
10:09:18 <ree> maybe instead I should write a tool for converting from elf to another symbol format
10:09:31 <ree> and let people give module configuration files
10:13:00 <JALH> bak
10:14:51 <ree> wb
10:18:19 <XeF4> is this to run on top of Linux?
10:18:40 <ree> linux/freebsd
10:18:56 <ree> eventually others
10:19:11 <ree> clients will be ported to as many systems as possible
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10:26:21 <XeF4> http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~lazzaro/sa/book/
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10:27:29 <ree> cool
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11:29:26 <Acute> so ibm came up with dwords
11:46:07 <JALH> ?
11:47:47 <Acute> heh the topic.. count grains of sand with word's ..
11:55:20 <XeF4> Acute: the topic is about LISP bignums :)
11:55:31 <XeF4> Acute: it's from 'God Wrote in Lisp'
11:55:51 <JALH> humm
11:55:51 <Acute> oh lol
11:55:53 <JALH> where's that?
11:56:06 <Acute> "...And the Lord could not count grains of sand with a 32-bit word."
11:56:20 <JALH> ohh
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11:56:53 <XeF4> bbl, work
11:57:09 <Acute> thanks
12:01:19 <Acute> bbl
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12:05:33 <ree> re all
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13:34:36 <XeF4> ree: what do you think of a capability system used as a BBS so anyone can log in and do arbitrary things (incl. creating child users) with any subset of his capabilities?
13:35:08 <XeF4> imho, in a distributed system, it would be interesting
13:35:17 <ree> it'd be a great example to learn from
13:35:24 <ree> not sure about why you'd do a BBS system
13:35:38 <XeF4> euhm.. maybe the BBS is a bad metaphor
13:36:18 <ree> capabilities are a good concept, but they don't exactly go far enough
13:36:21 <ree> on their own
13:36:39 <XeF4> no, but they're part of a complete breakfast
13:36:52 <ree> hehe
13:36:56 <ree> their idea is 
13:39:57 <XeF4> do you have any better ideas for sharing resources?
13:41:35 <ree> well, the current implementations of a capability model aren't very fascinating when looked at deeply
13:41:49 <ree> like eros, it has some interesting ideas, but the implementation is a nightmare
13:42:20 <XeF4> yeah, because it is written in C
13:42:30 <ree> hah
13:42:34 <ree> hardly because of that
13:42:39 <ree> but that is one problem
13:43:02 <XeF4> that led to many (most(?)) of the problems
13:43:14 <ree> it's actually written in c++
13:43:19 <JALH> ACK!
13:43:19 <ree> but they might be converting
13:43:22 <JALH> C++M SUC!!
13:43:34 <ree> the more high level you get, the worse it is
13:43:41 <JALH> yep
13:43:49 <ree> abstraction through implementation is much better than abstraction through programming
13:44:23 <ree> the system actually gets programmed then
13:44:44 <XeF4> examples?
13:44:59 <ree> any of today's modern os 
13:45:00 <ree> oses
13:45:09 <ree> they abstract through implementation
13:45:22 <ree> programs, protocols, interfaces written using apis
13:45:49 <ree> the language itself isn't part of the implementation
13:45:56 <ree> it doesn't get in the way
13:46:14 <XeF4> as it should be
13:46:15 <ree> I actually believe however in the other way
13:46:19 <XeF4> which is why C is such an awful tool
13:46:25 <ree> no, that is just it
13:46:27 <ree> C is a tool
13:46:35 <ree> languages like lisp want to become so much more
13:47:09 <XeF4> depends on the LISP
13:47:23 <ree> the ones you like to use no doubt =)
13:47:34 <XeF4> Scheme, PreScheme.. naah
13:47:48 <ree> I think the language itself should implement the system
13:48:27 <ree> but I think the only way is by using the native language of the system you are working on
13:48:31 <XeF4> though I'm not 100% sure what you mean by becoming so much more than a tool
13:48:45 <ree> well, take tunes for example
13:49:07 <ree> they are working on trying to develop a language that implements all security, garbage collection, reflective system, ..
13:49:28 <XeF4> not quite..
13:49:35 <ree> but they are working at a highly abstracted level
13:49:38 <XeF4> ask water/#tunes about slate
13:49:57 <XeF4> and my preferred LISPs do not do that :)
13:50:13 <XeF4> they implement those in the language
13:50:25 <ree> yes
13:50:28 <XeF4> and the core of the language consists of the most basic primitives
13:50:39 <ree> they implement them as part of the language itself
13:50:43 <XeF4> they don't
13:50:51 <XeF4> read R5RS
13:50:56 <XeF4> it's only 50 pages
13:51:22 <ree> what do you like about lisps then
13:51:57 <XeF4> they're simple, extensible and treat data and code uniformly
13:52:30 <ree> but they aren't the best of both worlds
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13:52:50 <XeF4> http://www.neci.nj.nec.com/homepages/kelsey/r5rs.ps.gz
13:53:40 <XeF4> and why not?
13:53:42 <ree> www.linuxassembly.org
13:53:45 <ree> =)
13:54:03 XeF4 won't start the argument of who has coded asm more/longer
13:54:18 <ree> not trying to argue, just trying to code
13:54:49 <ree> it doesn't really matter how long you do one thing
13:54:49 <XeF4> but.. in that case, the x86 opcodes are alredy pretty abstracted
13:54:58 <ree> yeah
13:54:59 <ree> they are
13:55:10 <ree> that's why you have to make a even more fundamentally uniform system
13:55:23 <ree> as mneumonics and the such are abstraction
13:55:48 <XeF4> even the opcodes are quite abstract
13:55:48 <ree> I think hll languages go the opposite direction
13:55:53 <ree> yeah, they are
13:55:59 <ree> but less abstract 
13:58:00 <XeF4> just curious - have you done any democoding?
13:58:57 <ree> ahh, you mean mode 13 and the such 
13:59:02 <XeF4> no
13:59:10 <ree> what type of demo?
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13:59:36 <XeF4> that type of demo
14:00:12 <XeF4> 'tis just that it has nothing to do with VGA mode 13
14:00:19 <ree> ohh
14:00:34 <ree> no, actually, but I have a friend that does it a lot
14:00:39 <ree> messes with 3d and the such
14:01:24 <ree> hmm, used the such twice
14:01:28 XeF4 still doesn't see how cons cells are 'too abstract'
14:02:59 <ree> I guess we'll see, or I'll see, whatever happens
14:03:05 <ree> just have to start programming
14:03:26 <ree> I don't think anyone is wrong, I think it just matters on the implementation
14:03:38 <ree> and most languages are capable of implementing equivalent systems
14:04:19 <XeF4> yes, but only because they can implement compilers for more appropriate languages
14:04:40 <ree> not sure what is more appropriate
14:05:39 <XeF4> eg.. ANS BASIC would not be appropriate for implementing a distributed capability system.
14:05:39 <ree> I haven't heard of many devices that use lisp programs to communicate with a lisp operating system
14:06:04 <XeF4> Genera
14:06:22 <ree> compare it on the scale with C programs
14:06:23 <XeF4> made by Symbolics who went bankrupt long ago
14:06:45 <XeF4> http://www.symbolics.com/ for the remains
14:06:48 <ree> which would be seemingly more appropriate
14:07:09 <XeF4> nah, C is popular for being popular
14:07:16 <XeF4> (and because AT&T made it)
14:07:24 <ree> and easy, and fast, ..
14:07:42 <ree> and somewhat well portable
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14:09:13 <XeF4> there are many, many easy, fast, portable languages
14:09:55 <ree> there are many of a lot of things
14:10:04 <ree> some just get used more
14:10:49 <XeF4> and a new experimental system should not start as a popularity contest
14:10:52 <XeF4> of languages
14:10:58 <ree> of course
14:11:02 <ree> but lisp by no means is new
14:11:10 <XeF4> no
14:11:16 <XeF4> and by no means ideal
14:12:48 <ree> that'll be cool to see though xe
14:13:03 <ree> we need more systems the use something like capabilities
14:13:06 <ree> that
14:15:38 <XeF4> yeah
14:15:38 <XeF4> I still wonder what sort of system could be built in 72-120hrs
14:16:44 <ree> if you keep wondering, a less and less complete of one =)
14:17:17 <XeF4> I'm wondering now because I'm too busy with work for another week-two-more
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14:19:58 <XeF4> Aardappel: you're the AmigaOS guy?
14:20:12 <JALH> ?
14:20:13 <Aardappel> one of them, yes :)
14:20:22 <ree> heh
14:20:26 <ree> the 3d 4 color red ball
14:21:39 Aardappel doesn't claim responsability for that
14:21:51 <ree> hah
14:21:58 <Aardappel> XeF4: how did you guess?
14:22:11 <XeF4> Aard: we chatted in April(?)
14:22:24 <XeF4> I wondered if you were the same Aardappel, as the other on was in .uk
14:22:35 <Aardappel> under what name, in what channel?
14:22:40 <XeF4> #osdev
14:22:54 <Aardappel> yeah I lived in the uk for 4 years
14:23:09 <Aardappel> k
14:23:23 Aardappel vaguely remembers
14:28:00 <XeF4> ree: how old are you?
14:28:06 <ree> 19
14:28:11 <ree> you?
14:28:15 <XeF4> 20
14:28:24 <ree> cool
14:28:35 <JALH> 15
14:28:36 <JALH> )
14:28:44 <JALH> ohh
14:28:48 <JALH> btw
14:28:56 <JALH> who wants to see the zealos logo in development?
14:29:02 <ree> I do
14:29:18 <ree> wait, is this a picture of a guy making a picture of a logo?
14:29:24 <JALH> no
14:29:27 <JALH> it's the logo
14:29:29 <JALH> so far
14:29:33 <ree> you said "in development" =)
14:30:21 <nate37> heh
14:30:37 <ree> got to disconnect
14:30:41 <XeF4> it should be a crew in white labcoats standing around a pair of C64s with a caption "ZealOS - High End Development(tm)"
14:30:48 <ree> I'll check that png out =)
14:31:07 <JALH> heh
14:31:10 <JALH> XeF4: ya want?
14:31:15 <JALH> nate?
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14:31:19 <XeF4> send
14:33:27 <XeF4> eek - it just occured to me that I've done nothing relevent to work while at work for 2 days
14:35:03 <nate37> JALH: no thanks
14:35:15 <nate37> XeF4: heh, where do you work at?
14:36:22 <XeF4> nate37: Babeltech (network device company of ~12 people)
14:36:43 <nate37> ah
14:36:45 <nate37> cool
14:36:51 <nate37> what's ur job there?
14:37:57 <XeF4> programmer
14:38:13 <nate37> )
14:39:09 <XeF4> no more detailed description - I work on whatever needs work
14:39:17 <nate37> heh ok
14:39:44 <XeF4> (in C/ASM/Scheme/LISP if you're wondering)
14:39:53 <nate37> cool
14:39:54 <nate37> hmm
14:40:09 <nate37> i didn't relize a channel of "#" could exist :)
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14:41:26 <nate37> sooooo
14:41:32 <JALH> ?
14:41:33 <JALH> p
14:41:36 <JALH> it can :p
14:41:42 <JALH> /wi'ing me eh?
14:41:51 <nate37> XeF4: anything new latly?
14:41:52 <nate37> umm
14:41:58 <nate37> eh?
14:42:01 <XeF4> nate37: not much
14:42:14 <nate37> JALH: oh no: XeF4 :)
14:42:22 <JALH> ohh
14:42:23 <JALH> )
14:42:27 <nate37> XeF4: :/
14:42:40 <XeF4> JALH: I saw # in /list
14:42:41 <nate37> XeF4: so are you thinking of developing an OS?
14:42:50 <XeF4> JALH: didn't know you were in there
14:43:06 <JALH> I op'd you :p
14:43:09 <XeF4> nate: perhaps
14:43:26 <nate37> XeF4: ah, go on... .
14:44:42 <XeF4> nate: if I find time, I might do a simple reflective system in Scheme or so
14:47:05 <nate37> cool
14:47:36 <nate37> i'm just kind of researching... compiler design... languages.. digital systems.. etc... .
14:52:29 <XeF4> I wonder how much caffeine is in a 2g teabag
14:52:46 <JALH> not much
15:11:10 XeF4 is .. very grateful for mp4 structured audio
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15:20:39 <nate37> hello
15:21:49 <JALH> hi
15:23:04 <tcn> hey
15:23:25 <XeF4> how goes isforth?
15:23:33 <tcn> damn, never seen so many people in osdev!
15:24:05 <tcn> dunno about isforth but I'm working on retro tonight
15:24:31 <XeF4> oops - confused your nick with someone else
15:24:42 <tcn> yeah, i440r :)
15:25:32 <nate37> tcn: yeah, it has been really busy here.. suddenly i don't know half of the people that come here :/
15:28:08 <XeF4>    New stuff - The all-Forth version "Retro3". I update it when I make
15:28:09 <XeF4>    "substantial" changes.
15:28:18 <XeF4> =P~~~~~~~  is this working?
15:28:22 <JALH> night
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15:28:41 <tcn> later 
15:29:17 <tcn> oh, i'm converting (or rewriting) retro in block format
15:29:44 <nate37> what's retro, btw?
15:29:54 <tcn> a little Forth OS
15:30:01 <nate37> ah
15:30:02 <nate37> oh yes
15:30:07 <nate37> i remember you...
15:30:17 <nate37> i think i emailed you or something a while back
15:30:23 <nate37> (wrt retro)
15:30:29 <tcn> yeah, anyway, what else is new here?
15:30:34 nate37 shrugs
15:30:43 <tcn> brianna is a logger right?
15:30:45 <nate37> yep
15:30:51 <nate37> www.bespin.org/~lar1/logs/
15:30:54 <tcn> thankx
15:31:22 <tcn> bespin.org? that's new
15:31:39 <nate37> yeah
15:31:43 <nate37> or bespin.cx...
15:31:52 <nate37> org bespin.dhs.org iirc
15:31:55 <nate37> s/org/or/
15:32:17 <tcn> now I can be at the city of the clouds if I get sick of tunes :)
15:32:46 <nate37> heh
15:33:04 <tcn> you know, if I wanna impress star wars nuts
15:33:18 <nate37> bespin hosts tunes, btw
15:33:24 <tcn> yup
15:33:37 <tcn> i oughta know, it hosts retro
15:33:43 <nate37> heh :)
15:33:45 <nate37> wasn't sure... .
15:33:51 <XeF4> I got sick of tunes around August :\
15:34:03 <tcn> heh.. he even logs {}
15:34:03 <XeF4> for its lack of progress
15:34:51 <tcn> yeah, it's overkill
15:35:59 <tcn> if I were to pick one thing from tunes it's Persistent Storage.. that would make my work a piece of cake
15:36:07 <XeF4> I _must_ find time to do my 3-day reflective system
15:36:26 <nate37> heh 
15:36:30 <nate37> 3-day?
15:36:59 <XeF4> nate: reflective system written in 72 hous
15:37:00 <XeF4> hours
15:37:39 <tcn> in what language?
15:37:53 <XeF4> probably scheme
15:38:06 <XeF4> forth is just too brain bending when you'
15:38:11 <XeF4> ve been programming for 60hrs :)
15:38:17 <tcn> heh
15:38:53 <nate37> heh
15:39:06 <tcn> but all those parentheses...!
15:40:06 <XeF4> emacs has automagical paren features
15:40:09 <tcn> so, what's new in osdev?
15:41:25 <XeF4> dunno - I just came back here yesterday
15:42:10 <tcn> nate?
15:43:12 <nate37> yes?
15:43:13 <nate37> oh
15:43:14 <nate37> heh
15:43:15 <nate37> umm
15:43:17 <nate37> in osdev
15:43:18 <nate37> not much
15:43:23 <nate37> just
15:43:24 <nate37> umm
15:43:31 <nate37> researching stuff.. at least i am...
15:43:44 <nate37> compiler design.. different languages... digital systems... etc..
15:44:15 <tcn> oh
15:44:47 <tcn> any interesting projects?
15:45:42 <nate37> not really :/
15:46:04 <tcn> heh.. how's brix?
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15:59:28 <tcn> haha
15:59:48 <tcn> (whois microsoft.com)
16:00:10 <nate37> i know :)
16:00:12 <nate37> and:
16:00:15 <nate37> whois aol.com
16:00:28 <tcn> and whitehouse.gov
16:00:29 <nate37> tcn: BRiX == air's os
16:00:35 <nate37> i couldn't do that one, for some reason :
16:00:37 <nate37> /
16:01:01 <nate37> ah now it works
16:01:08 <nate37> although i don't see anything strange with it
16:01:40 <tcn> whitehouse?
16:01:46 nate37 nods
16:02:02 <tcn> I guess they didn't like being called the world's best terrorists
16:02:54 <nate37> heh
16:02:54 <XeF4> rotfl
16:03:11 <tcn> heh.. netscape.com
16:04:33 <nate37> heh
16:06:31 <tcn> i'm surprised networksolutions.com hasn't been fucked with
16:06:50 <nate37> heh
16:09:03 <tcn> wtf... 'whois terrorists.net'
16:09:39 <nate37> what?
16:10:26 <tcn> go there
16:11:00 <tcn> & look at the hidden link
16:13:57 <nate37> ah it's interesting, how it does it
16:14:17 <nate37> hell i could easily do it
16:14:36 <nate37> microsoft.com.is.really.owned.by.nate37.net
16:14:38 <nate37> )
16:15:53 <tcn> did you see the WHOIS for terrorists.net? says it's run by the Prince of Wales :)
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16:17:12 <nate37> heh
16:17:18 <nate37> yes i did :)
16:17:22 <nate37> neo :)
16:17:28 <tcn> ahh well, for something really pathetic see wilbedone.com & look up wholesale prices
16:17:39 <tcn> hint, look at the page source
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16:18:01 <ink> hi
16:18:11 <nate37> hey
16:18:29 <tcn> makes you wonder how much of the net is this shoddy
16:18:40 <tcn> hey ink
16:19:31 <ink> lar1: get yer butt over here  :)
16:20:01 <XeF4> most of it, but it is big&distributed enough that shoddiness doesn't matter
16:20:17 <nate37> hmm
16:20:27 <nate37> ink: you are going to send it soon, aye? :)
16:20:34 ink hopes so
16:20:48 <ink> if lar gets his butt over here w/ the stuff
16:20:57 <nate37> )
16:21:01 <ink> )
16:21:04 <nate37> he's been afk all day i think
16:21:15 <ink> and my Phish, I want my Phish back  :)
16:21:18 <ink> hmmmmm
16:21:41 <ink> say, nate, do you have the source to that bluescreen hing I made?
16:22:00 <nate37> yeah
16:22:06 <ink> can you send it to me?
16:22:06 <nate37> i havn't run it yet :)
16:22:10 <ink> hahaha
16:22:21 ink lost all his stuff, remember  )
16:22:26 <ink> tnx
16:22:30 <nate37> )
16:22:31 <nate37> n/p
16:22:50 ink is trying to get most of his code back
16:22:53 <ink> hmmm
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16:26:50 <tcn> heh.. is this true, that M$ source code is all over the net?
16:30:03 <ink> it is'nt all over
16:30:07 <ink> one person might have it
16:30:15 <ink> i think
16:30:21 <ink> M$ did get cracked, though
16:34:41 <tcn> hahaha, this is great
16:35:13 <nate37> )
16:35:28 <tcn> one of the articles covering this bullshit had some links, which take you right into someone's mailbox without logging in
16:35:55 <nate37> he
16:35:57 <nate37> h
16:36:06 <nate37> ink: so he is suppose to bring over the junk today? :)
16:36:25 <nate37> ink: hey right a note back too :)  but like hide it in the floppy drive or someplace hidden, ok?
16:37:45 <ink> heh, why in the FD?
16:37:51 ink will put it in the case  )
16:38:41 <nate37> well
16:38:43 <nate37> hide it :)
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16:39:02 <transistor> hello
16:39:08 <tcn> hey
16:39:11 <ink> hi
16:39:13 <transistor> how are you?
16:39:27 <ink> well, and you?
16:39:45 <transistor> i'm good
16:39:48 <transistor> so what is new?
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16:41:21 <BC_V> hi...  bf is dangerous?
16:41:55 <ink> hi
16:41:57 <ink> bf?
16:42:02 <nate37> ?
16:42:10 <ink> transistor: n/m, you?
16:42:19 <tcn> hey, did you guys look at the source for http://wilbedone/fordealers.html yet?
16:42:30 <ink> no, why?
16:42:36 <tcn> it's funny
16:42:42 <ink> heh, 'k
16:42:45 <BC_V> the subject, the #ch desc.
16:42:51 <tcn> that's wilbedone.com
16:45:12 <ink> hmmm
16:45:26 <ink> uup, n/m
16:45:27 <ink> )
16:45:44 <BC_V> o wait. the subj was differen't b4... it said "brainf*** is dangerous".
16:45:55 <ink> heh
16:46:12 <ink> what is the button to view source w/ lynx?
16:48:02 <tcn> \
16:48:14 <BC_V> sorry to mess stuff up.. :)
16:48:19 <tcn> it's fucking embarassing 
16:51:13 <ink> heh
16:51:51 <BC_V> hmm
16:53:15 <BC_V> anyone know Scheme?  i'm dl'ing drscheme to try and learn it..
16:53:25 <tcn> ya know, I swear I've seen another site where the password is 1234
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16:54:04 <_ink_> in X  :)
16:54:22 <tcn> or was that the password for the airshield on planet Druidia?
16:54:33 <_ink_> yep  :)
16:54:44 <_ink_> "Oh, and change the passwd on my breifcase."
16:54:48 <_ink_> )
16:54:52 <_ink_> well, combo
16:55:13 <tcn> haha
16:55:34 <tcn> oh I think that was Los Alamos Labs :)
16:55:54 <_ink_> lol
16:56:22 <_ink_> hmmm
16:56:30 <_ink_> Clinton is in my city today  :)
16:56:50 <BC_V> KtP <evil grin>
16:57:00 _ink_ claims that it's about damn time that Gore and Bush come to the Silicon Valley
16:57:20 <_ink_> SAN JO-SE!
16:57:24 <_ink_> whee!
16:57:44 <tcn> did they weld shut all the manhole covers?
16:57:52 <_ink_> hah
16:57:53 <_ink_> no
16:58:03 _ink_ 's mom saw the motorcade earlier today...
16:58:10 <_ink_> they had an ambulance  >:)
17:00:44 <_ink_> brb
17:13:45 <tcn> hey lar1
17:15:53 <tcn> what's teamosdev?
17:16:57 <nate37> tcn: where did you get that from? logs?
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17:18:07 <BC_V> teamosdev?  sounds interesting
17:18:12 <nate37> heh
17:18:14 <BC_V> hi air!
17:18:14 <tcn> hey air
17:18:20 <air> hey ppl
17:18:23 <nate37> tcn: where did you get it from?
17:18:35 <tcn> lar1's logs
17:18:41 <air> tcn: nate said u wanted to write a compiler for me?
17:19:06 <tcn> when was that?
17:19:16 <nate37> heh
17:19:22 <air> couple days ago
17:19:55 nate37 nods
17:20:22 <tcn> why would I wanna do that?
17:21:42 <air> experience
17:22:12 <lar1> tcn:  Teamosdev was the channel ink, nate, and I worked on the ICFP contest in.
17:22:21 <nate37> >:)
17:22:29 <tcn> ICFP?
17:22:32 <nate37> well
17:22:35 <nate37> it was our name tooo
17:22:38 <tcn> air: oh you want a Forth compiler?
17:22:44 <nate37> tcn: yeah.. we failed of course :)
17:22:50 <air> tcn: no C-like
17:22:58 <lar1> International Fucntion of Functional Programming
17:23:02 <lar1> Eek
17:23:06 <lar1> f/function/Convention
17:23:17 <lar1> Hey, does Zinc rust?
17:23:23 <tcn> Confuction?
17:24:23 <nate37> heh
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17:24:36 <nate37> s/f/s/
17:24:43 <nate37> s/function/Fucntion/
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17:25:36 <tcn> air: have you used lex/yacc/bison?
17:29:25 <air> no
17:29:42 BC_V whispers, bison is yacc )
17:29:46 <air> i would prefer to do it all in C
17:30:44 <air> cuz after i write the compiler i need to rewrite the compiler in the compilers language
17:31:21 <tcn> that's why I use Forth
17:31:54 <air> well if i was doing this for myself it would be forth
17:32:06 <tcn> why aren't you?
17:32:08 <air> but most ppl know C and i want ppl to program for it
17:32:38 <air> that way i dont have to write every stinking driver, program, etc
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17:32:46 <tcn> i don't care if every C lamer uses my OS 
17:32:47 <_ink_> rehi
17:32:57 <tcn> ;)
17:33:07 <air> plus i can get money from those "lamers"
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17:33:27 <_ink_> hi
17:33:29 <_ruiner_> hi
17:33:32 <_ink_> whats up?
17:33:38 <_ink_> pissed off any indians lately?
17:33:41 <air> tcn: so any progress on retro?
17:33:49 <tcn> well lets see.. I wrote a parser in C without using lexx/yacc once..
17:33:56 <_ruiner_> nope, going out tonight though, so it's a possibility
17:34:53 <tcn> air: for starters, code up a state machine
17:35:13 <_ruiner_> I hate supporting mac machines
17:36:25 <air> state machine?
17:37:11 <nate37> heh
17:37:52 <tcn> just look at a compiler
17:38:12 <air> i cant read other ppl's code
17:38:32 <tcn> ok, read about BNF parsers
17:38:52 <tcn> hey air.. look at http://wilbedone.com/fordealers.html
17:43:37 <tcn> if you think that's lame look at the source
17:45:16 <air> whats the u:p for that page
17:47:09 <air> ohhhh
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17:48:49 <ace> hi all
17:48:50 <_ink_> hi
17:48:51 <ace> need help
17:49:05 <nate37> continue.... 
17:49:12 <ace> what was that nameserver again? I got my linux to dial my modem. :)
17:49:54 <_ink_> 206.13.28.12
17:50:08 <nate37> umm
17:50:09 <nate37> ink
17:50:13 <_ink_> ya?
17:50:16 <nate37> what nameserver are you giving him?
17:50:21 <_ink_> dunno
17:50:26 <_ink_> it works well, tho
17:50:30 <nate37> then where did you get it?
17:50:31 <_ink_> some ISP
17:50:35 <_ink_> lar
17:50:44 <nate37> heh
17:50:49 <_ink_> )
17:51:13 <nate37> ace: smartest solution: call up your provider and ask them what there nameserver ip addr's are
17:52:34 <ace> ok. thanx, i'll see if i can get it from here... just wait... it a few minutes I may be talking to you through my linux connection :)
17:53:19 <ace> ink: I think I'm starting to understand ree's communication model.
17:54:18 <ace> hey, ink, do you use: dns1-sf.snfc21.pacbell.net?
17:55:45 <ace> k, gtg, bye.
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17:57:13 <tcn> oh yeah, latest development in Retro3 is I ditched gforth for PFE :)
17:57:56 <BC_V> retro.. oh!  hi tom! :)
17:59:11 <air> other than that what else is new
17:59:15 <BC_V> how is retro going?
17:59:25 <tcn> it's not really
17:59:47 <BC_V> do you have to redo it again?
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18:00:05 <tcn> i will.. reason I switched is, gforth's block support sucks
18:00:41 <BC_V> really?  then i guess it's been a while since you used your own forth engine.
18:00:42 <tcn> but I had to use the old 0.9.14 PFE, the new one on sourceforge seems stripped down
18:01:40 <air> i thought u wrote yer own forth?
18:02:01 <tcn> I ought to team up with i440r.. I think his forth runs under unix (but it's asm not C)
18:02:49 <BC_V> I'm just starting (yest.even) to learn Scheme.
18:04:25 <BC_V> My os is still in planning/theory stage... :(  my plans have become somewhat bipolar though.  I want a small version, and the large version.  And i'm unsure how much of what to put into it early on.
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18:07:35 <nate37> re
18:07:36 <ink> )
18:07:38 <ink> rehi
18:08:40 <BC_V> hi ink
18:09:52 <air> BC_V: small and large versions??
18:11:39 <BC_V> yes, the small would be usable on a 8-16meg, large would aim at high power computing.
18:12:38 <BC_V> there's a lot of theories from univ's that never get implimented beyond possibly a demonstrator unit... some of that i'd like to utilize.
18:12:55 <tcn> bahh, the small one would just kick ass on a big computer
18:13:32 <tcn> ummm unless it's single vs. parallel..
18:13:43 <BC_V> hehe that would be nice.  lots in the component model though.
18:14:20 <BC_V> yes parallel capabilities where-ever possible... i was looking into MPI-1.1...
18:14:27 <air> BC_V: u should only focus on the version that kicks ass on a 4meg machine
18:14:40 <air> brb dinner
18:14:50 <BC_V> 4? why air why?
18:15:20 <tcn> 64k used to be a lot
18:15:38 <tcn> 64k oughtta be enough for anyone!!
18:16:37 <BC_V> heheh.. yah, then 640k.. hacks to get beyond 1meg.. hacks to get beyond 16meg, but now we don't have to worry (much) about the small portions that create those problems..
18:17:34 <BC_V> is this ch logged?
18:17:49 <ink> yep
18:17:56 <BC_V> k :)
18:17:58 <ink> Brianna is a logging bot
18:18:12 <ink> bespin.org/~lar1/logs/osdev
18:18:17 <BC_V> ah.. i wondered about that female being here ! :)
18:18:22 <ink> hahaha
18:18:24 <ink> )
18:19:19 <tcn> hmm.. we interviewed TWO female programmers today
18:19:33 <tcn> what are the chances of that?
18:19:46 <ink> 1 in 2?
18:19:48 <ink> P
18:19:51 <BC_V> wow... hmm 10,000 to 1? :)
18:19:54 <ink> hehehe
18:20:00 <ink> it _should_ be 1 in 2
18:20:17 <BC_V> yes.. women Can be logical!
18:21:04 <ink> )
18:22:32 <BC_V> ink - what's your story dude?
18:22:38 <ink> eh?
18:22:40 <ink> story?
18:23:07 <BC_V> what prj r u on if any?
18:23:15 <ink> aah
18:23:26 <BC_V> just curious tho
18:23:36 ink is on TTP, nibble, and many other little ones that I make up
18:23:55 <ink> TTP == The TTP Project
18:23:57 <ink> pisig.cx
18:24:20 <tcn> aw christ
18:25:34 <ink> eh?
18:25:56 <transistor> bye
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18:26:08 <tcn> not another recursive acronym?
18:26:09 <ink> tcn: do tell!
18:26:09 <tcn> )
18:26:10 <BC_V> whats rong tcn?
18:26:12 <ink> ah
18:26:13 <ink> hehehe
18:26:16 <ink> )
18:26:19 ink loves 'em
18:26:23 <BC_V> oh.. heh
18:26:29 <ink> actually, I got it fro a Dilbert cartton
18:26:43 <ink> e-mailed Scott Adams
18:26:47 <ink> got permission
18:26:53 <ink> and am using it  :)
18:27:04 <ink> he is cool  :)
18:27:54 <BC_V> neat!
18:28:48 ink has been meaning to put that story on the site  )
18:28:49 <BC_V> i'd like to see more info on your ttp prj on your page.
18:28:54 <ink> heh
18:29:04 <ink> well, I've been meaning to put more up
18:29:08 <nate37> heh
18:29:09 <ink> my friend and I
18:29:18 <ink> alterego, he's not on very often
18:29:30 <nate37> "advanced features like timeslicing".. wtf ink??
18:29:36 <ink> he thinks IRC just waists time  :/
18:29:41 <ink> heeheehee
18:29:42 <nate37> it does
18:29:55 <ink> our own special way of multitasking
18:30:01 <ink> not just timeslicing
18:30:13 <ink> dynamic pre-emptive timeslicing
18:30:17 <ink> >:)
18:30:33 <nate37> The TTP Project
18:30:33 <nate37>    INK
18:30:33 <nate37>    The TTP Project is an Operating System being developed here at PiSig
18:30:33 <nate37>    Labs. It has many unique, innovative features including Pre-emptive
18:30:33 <nate37>    Timeslicing, and Dynamic Multitasking. View the TTP FAQs.
18:30:34 <ink> in other words, goes faster than windows
18:30:37 <ink> well, it will
18:30:48 <nate37> heh
18:30:56 <ink> thats what I meant  :)
18:30:59 <tcn> heh
18:31:00 <BC_V> well, what rules for dynamicity?
18:31:06 <ink> umm umm umm
18:31:14 ink tries to remember
18:31:19 <ink> alter is doing most of that code
18:31:33 <ink> well, the program requests a certain amount
18:31:40 <ink> and the OS does some certain things
18:31:53 <ink> to change around the amount of time each gets
18:32:00 <nate37> bbl
18:32:01 <ink> priorities and whatnot
18:32:03 <ink> k
18:32:11 <nate37> heh
18:32:15 <nate37> linux has prioritys
18:32:24 <BC_V> ok.. so i'm supposing a pgm accessing say floppy gets more time?
18:32:25 <nate37> bbl for real
18:32:33 <BC_V> cu nate
18:33:25 <ink> ciao
18:33:32 <ink> well, it takes things into account
18:33:38 <ink> and priorities change
18:34:09 <ink> and a pgm's priority's slices change amount of time
18:34:11 <ink> etc etc etc
18:34:39 <BC_V> well that's an interesting idea ink.. i want some dynamic rescheduling on my os as well.. that part is still theory.. but i want it to be capable of some 'prediction' of pending events.
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18:42:33 <tcn> does an unemployed pot smoker smoke pot?
18:43:51 <BC_V> wtf? :)
18:44:00 <BC_V> i'd say yes...
18:44:11 <tcn> something on i440r's web site
18:45:06 <BC_V> oh, is that a philosophy page? :)
18:45:23 <tcn> ah no, it's bullshit
18:45:42 <BC_V> lol. i c.
18:46:37 <tcn> under 'users pages' -> 'slander'
18:46:39 <BC_V> hey Q.. do you (any of you) use mailinglists for your prj's?
18:47:08 <tcn> I got bored of reading his stuff about sorting
18:47:51 <tcn> nope, unless you count a Cc: list
18:48:48 <BC_V> not enough demand eh?
18:49:44 <tcn> ml's are a waste of time
18:50:06 <BC_V> and irc isn't?  why?
18:51:13 <tcn> oh, it is
18:52:10 <BC_V> heheh ok.  but you prefer irc.
18:53:26 <BC_V> well, d'you still work with the tunes grp?
18:53:58 <tcn> haven't been active.. i'm on a few ml's @tunes.org.. those are dead..
18:54:19 <tcn> unless all the conversation is on tunes@tunes.org
18:54:31 <BC_V> but tunes can't be dead.. they just came out with slate.
18:54:32 <BC_V> ?
18:55:38 <tcn> guess i'm not on that ml :)
18:55:58 <tcn> so they made an implementation?
18:56:46 <BC_V> yah i understand they have some working Slate code.. that's the HLL isn't it.. 
18:57:23 <tcn> something like that
18:58:39 <BC_V> well, i'm goin for dinner and watch hockey...  ttul..
18:58:41 <tcn> you might look at lists.tunes.org
18:58:55 <tcn> take care.
18:59:26 <BC_V> ok thanks.. TC tcn ..heheh  byeall
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19:30:28 <air> sup
19:30:52 <ree> hey air
19:31:28 <ree> heh, libc done in asm is about 4kb
19:31:36 <ree> my system's libc is 4.1mb =)
19:39:31 <air> haha
19:39:41 <air> where is this this asmlibc?
19:40:05 <air> and is it glibc2.1 compat?
19:41:45 <air> they need to split libc up into smaller libs
19:53:42 <ree> not sure, I think it is still in its early stages
19:53:46 <ree> linuxassembly.org
19:55:39 <ree> I think I might make this network system more robust
19:55:49 <ree> including a libc implementation
19:55:55 <ree> that's meant to be modular 
19:56:19 <ree> I just can't quite map the ideas in my head right now for some reason
19:57:31 <ree> a network based implementation of libc would be rather neat
19:58:04 <ree> no need for java heh
19:58:29 <ree> client end would be even less complicated
19:58:41 <ree> and it would be fast
19:58:51 <air> network system?
19:59:01 <ree> yeah, the network server architecture I am working on
19:59:05 <ree> modular server
19:59:49 <ree> you'll be able to dynamically load or unload modules into the server and provide additional functionality
20:00:22 <ree> different network protocols, different database backends, ..
20:00:38 <air> oh yer httpd+db thing?
20:00:48 <ree> yeah, those will be two modules
20:01:00 <ree> but if we could implement a libc module-wide
20:01:10 <lar1> REE!
20:01:15 <ree> hey lar!
20:01:40 <lar1> Whats going down?
20:01:55 <ree> hehe, trying to think of the possibilities of this server
20:02:19 <lar1> Heh cool
20:02:51 <ree> if there are any heh
20:03:18 <lar1> Umm
20:03:22 <lar1> Netowrk libc?
20:03:27 <ree> hehe, yeah
20:03:30 <lar1> Wruh Row!
20:03:37 <lar1> How the hell would that work? :)
20:03:51 <ree> the libc implementation would communication server-wide
20:03:57 <lar1> Hmm
20:03:59 <lar1> crap
20:04:00 <ree> allowing various modules to use its functions
20:04:01 <lar1> food
20:04:11 <lar1> I'll bug you after I tank up
20:04:17 <ree> client would connect and be capable of using the output in any way it wants
20:04:20 <ree> k
20:04:33 <ree> input/output
20:05:43 <ree> traditional servers have where you can only execute applications in a uni directional manner
20:06:07 <ree> this could provide a entire unix/posix environment across a network
20:07:33 <air> hmm
20:13:04 <ree> hehe, running a entire unix system across a network
20:13:07 <ree> within a client window
20:32:40 <lar1> i back
20:32:45 <lar1> physically
20:33:04 <lar1> tired _ TRUE.
20:33:11 <ree> heh
20:33:23 <ree> I'm tired too, problem is I got a lot of sleep today
20:33:28 <lar1> heh
20:33:34 <lar1> too much school for meeeeeeee
20:33:36 <lar1> heh
20:34:00 <ree> school cures insomnia =)
20:34:05 <lar1> not really
20:34:08 <lar1> oh
20:34:08 <ree> during it
20:34:08 <lar1> oh
20:34:09 <lar1> heh
20:34:10 <lar1> yeah
20:34:17 <ree> after it, you're up all frigging night
20:34:20 <lar1> not really
20:34:27 <lar1> because I have to get up at 7:05
20:34:38 <lar1> for classes at 8:25
20:34:48 <lar1> and that is only because I don't have a first period
20:34:55 <lar1> High School blows chunks
20:34:56 <lar1> --
20:34:57 <lar1> out the ass
20:34:58 <ree> did you start programming yet? =)
20:35:03 <lar1> Programming what?
20:35:12 <ree> r2d2
20:35:17 <ree> I don't know, anything
20:35:31 <lar1> heh
20:35:34 <lar1> Nah
20:35:38 <lar1> I used windows today
20:35:42 <lar1> that made me want to code
20:35:45 <lar1> heh
20:35:49 <ree> hah
20:35:54 <ree> great inspiration no doubt =)
20:35:59 <lar1> Oh yes
20:36:12 <lar1> "Musssst... killlll... WINDOWS!"
20:36:18 <ree> I think a network based operating system is a good idea
20:37:19 <lar1> Well
20:37:24 <ree> something easy and quick to code
20:37:25 <lar1> Sure, if
20:37:36 <lar1> Networks have to tranfer as fast as disk
20:37:41 <lar1> then youre golden
20:37:49 <ree> well, by network
20:37:57 <ree> I don't only mean across a network connection
20:38:01 <ree> it could be a local socket
20:38:05 <lar1> OH FUCKING CRAP
20:38:08 <lar1> I am out of space!
20:38:14 <lar1> Damn it.
20:38:18 <ree> haha
20:38:22 <lar1> All Fares fault!
20:38:37 <lar1> ree:  Oh I see.
20:38:49 <lar1> ree:  So you could do distributed computing easier?
20:38:55 <ree> yeah, exactly
20:39:08 <ree> the same operating system could be broadcast across a multicast or broadcast network
20:39:16 <lar1> Oh, I still have like 3k left... bullshit no space left... >;)
20:39:18 <ree> but not only that
20:39:22 <ree> it could be very modular
20:39:37 <lar1> Well, you don't need "network" to be modular.
20:39:43 <ree> various streams coming from different protocols could be added dynamically to the system
20:40:20 <ree> well, in terms of unix, it's the best method
20:41:02 <lar1> UNIX blows
20:41:15 <ree> heh
20:41:25 <lar1> Campbell CHUNKY Soup! heh
20:41:35 <ree> it blows worse than the alternatives
20:41:42 <lar1> Nah
20:41:46 <ree> in other words, it is better
20:41:49 <ree> nyeah
20:41:50 <lar1> oh
20:41:51 <lar1> heh
20:41:56 <ree> heh
20:42:05 <lar1> Somone told me
20:42:16 <lar1> "fsd sucks obsd's dick"
20:42:18 <lar1> I didn't get that
20:42:27 <lar1> Like ummmm
20:42:31 <lar1> So which one is betteR?
20:42:33 <lar1> heh
20:42:40 <ree> oi
20:42:42 <lar1> I guess its bad to be a dick sucker
20:42:43 <lar1> heh
20:42:44 <ree> obsd is a piece of shit
20:42:51 <ree> compared to it
20:42:55 <lar1> Wruh Wrow!
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20:43:36 <lar1> OH NO
20:43:39 <lar1> Its...
20:43:40 <lar1> Its...
20:43:41 <ree> it doesn't support a sco console, freebsd has better memory manage, better library support, better application and driver support
20:43:41 <lar1> HIM!
20:43:49 <ree> management
20:43:53 <ree> hey ink =)
20:43:54 <lar1> Hey
20:44:01 <lar1> I didn't want to be draged in to obsd fbsd
20:44:09 <lar1> I was just talking politely about sucking dick.
20:44:09 <ree> have you used unix locally lar?
20:44:19 <lar1> And *YOU* butt in with bsd wars... HMMPH! ;)
20:44:23 <lar1> </sarcasm>
20:44:39 <lar1> ree:  Yeah, I am on a linux box right now.
20:44:47 <ree> ahh
20:44:52 <ree> did you install it?
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20:45:02 <ree> hey pratap
20:45:05 <pratap> hi
20:45:40 <lar1> ree:  Yeah
20:45:45 <lar1> hey pratap
20:45:48 <lar1> I am really tired heh
20:45:51 <lar1> so don't mind me
20:45:52 <pratap> hey lar..
20:45:54 <lar1> heh
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20:46:06 <ink> hi!
20:46:10 <lar1> heh
20:46:16 <ink> sorry, did'nt know this window was on  :)
20:46:28 <lar1> ree:  Is there a difference in connotation between "hah" and "heh" in your context?
20:46:29 <ink_> back to x, however
20:46:34 <ink_> lar1: come over tommorrow
20:46:36 <ink_> get stuff
20:46:40 <ink_> show nate's picture
20:46:41 <ree> lar, I just use both
20:46:48 <lar1> ree:  Ok, just checking. :)
20:48:49 <pratap> lar1: i just read somehwere...that chating to ppl in islam is banned!!!
20:49:57 <pratap> lar1: u have programmed any os?
20:49:58 <lar1> pratap:  Oh?  Who enforces this?  How?
20:50:07 <lar1> pratap: The betennings of one, yes.
20:50:32 <pratap> lar1: whats the url?
20:50:45 <lar1> ravenos.dhs.org
20:50:50 <lar1> It hasn't been updated since
20:50:53 <lar1> since forever
20:51:02 <lar1> and the source tree there isn't the latest
20:51:10 <lar1> but no matter, I haven't touched it for months
20:51:10 <pratap> ok
20:51:23 <ree> hah, it's got everything going for it =)
20:51:51 <lar1> oh yeah right
20:52:12 <lar1> If you like seeing debug characters, feel free to run it.
20:52:16 <lar1> P
20:52:22 <pratap>    The page you wanted could not be found! Try one of these locations:
20:52:40 <lar1> EEEK!
20:52:53 <ree> pratap, try the world's most successful projects network cache server, they might have it cached
20:52:59 <lar1> Damnit
20:53:00 <lar1> Damnit
20:53:04 <lar1> I can't start lynx
20:53:10 <lar1> Not enough disk space free
20:53:13 <nate37> ????
20:53:18 <lar1> 3k isn't *good* enough for it I guess.
20:53:19 <lar1> HMMPH
20:53:22 <nate37> heh
20:53:22 <ree> what the hell os do you use at home lar
20:53:25 <nate37> last night...
20:53:31 <nate37> my computer crashed...
20:53:39 <ree> lar, it uses /tmp, that shouldn't matter
20:53:40 <nate37> i was downloading a bunch of pr0n you see..
20:53:44 <nate37> and it ran out of memory
20:53:47 <nate37> and i am not kidding
20:53:49 <nate37> )
20:53:53 <lar1> ree:  Linux on my laptop (on right now), winstupid on my gaming box, Linux on my server
20:54:07 <lar1> lar1@bitty:~$ lynx http://ravenos.dhs.org
20:54:19 <ree> hehe, and you're complaining about a account on a tunes project machine? =)
20:54:24 <lar1> "/tmp//RWcAAl: No space left on device"
20:54:29 <ree> ok
20:54:38 <lar1> ree:  Huh?  What about Bespin? :)
20:54:43 <ree> change your temp variable
20:54:47 <ree> to your home directory
20:54:50 <lar1> It won't matter
20:54:54 <lar1> it is one partition
20:54:59 <ree> hah
20:55:00 <lar1> My drive is *full*
20:55:13 <lar1> 3.2 GB of... of...?
20:55:15 <lar1> I dunno
20:55:17 <ree> no memory fs?
20:55:18 <lar1> It isn't even porn
20:55:24 <lar1> ree:  Well, 128 Mb swap
20:55:24 <ree> you could create a temporary memory fs
20:55:36 <ree> pretty easy if it is compiled in
20:56:07 <lar1> I dunno
20:56:10 <lar1> I got to recompile
20:56:15 <lar1> it takes to long
20:56:20 <lar1> can I borrow CPU time? heh
20:56:28 <nate37> heh
20:56:42 lar1 runs a REALLY LONG string to ree's house
20:56:50 <ree> haha
20:56:55 <ree> I am all out of that
20:57:01 <ree> running X with dualhead 
20:57:05 <lar1> Eek
20:57:09 <lar1> what speed box?
20:57:15 <ree> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ram bs=1k count=4096
20:57:17 <ree> 450mhz
20:57:21 <lar1> Oh thats cool
20:57:23 <lar1> I am 233
20:57:26 <ree> mke2fs -m0 /dev/ram
20:57:32 <ree> mkdir mnt
20:57:37 <ree> mount /dev/ram mnt
20:57:56 <ree> export TEMP_DIR=`pwd`/mnt
20:57:59 <ree> lynx
20:58:03 <lar1> heh
20:58:04 <ree> maybe it isn't TEMP_DIR
20:58:06 <lar1> Too much work
20:58:19 <lar1> I'll just get rid of some... hmmm... I dunno
20:58:19 <ree> TMPDIR
20:58:24 <lar1> What ever the hell it is that I have.
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20:58:38 <lar1> heh
20:58:49 <lar1> oink
20:58:50 <lar1> heh
20:58:51 <lar1> moo
20:58:55 <lar1> Zoup!
20:59:07 <lar1> ZZZZ!  ZZZZZ!
20:59:08 <ree> wonder if this can be done by user level heh
20:59:13 <lar1> Oh?  You're an electritian!
20:59:16 <lar1> ZZZZ!
20:59:20 <lar1> We can use you!
20:59:35 <ree> permission denied heh
20:59:44 <ree> you should be able to do that
20:59:50 <ree> hell, you can malloc memory
20:59:54 <lar1> Yeah
21:00:06 <lar1> rm -rf /
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21:00:46 <ree> heh, I recently lost 4gb of data 
21:00:50 <lar1> heh
21:00:52 <lar1> how
21:00:56 <ree> it's actually relieving
21:01:04 <ree> installing windows 98 oem
21:01:04 <lar1> heh
21:01:22 <lar1> Yick Yick Yick Yick
21:01:24 <ree> I thought it was just going to remove the os/2 boot manager partition
21:01:34 <lar1> OH
21:01:36 <ree> it removed all partitions and then created a messed up one
21:01:38 <lar1> you did it too! :)
21:01:51 <ree> eh?
21:01:52 <lar1> I had some bad experence with os2
21:01:54 <lar1> and partitions
21:02:00 <lar1> on my birthday nonetheless
21:02:02 <lar1> heh
21:02:05 <ree> ohh
21:02:08 <ree> no, I really like os/2
21:02:12 <ree> but os/2 wasn't on the machine
21:02:18 <lar1> ah
21:02:19 <ree> it was the boot manager
21:02:21 <lar1> yeah
21:02:22 <ree> also part of partition magic
21:02:23 <lar1> ok
21:02:28 <lar1> man di am itred
21:02:53 <lar1> but i don't wan tto go to sleep becasue if I do taht means tommarow will not be friday so I will have less tiem before it is the time that is when I hav e to go back to school
21:03:23 <ree> tomorrow is saturday
21:03:29 <ree> for me at least heh
21:03:34 <lar1> well yeah
21:03:35 <lar1> but
21:03:38 <lar1> the day afer
21:03:39 <lar1> is sunday
21:03:42 <lar1> and after?
21:03:44 <lar1> MONDAY!!!!!!!!!
21:03:46 <ree> ohh!
21:03:46 <lar1> EEEEEEEK!
21:03:48 <ree> heh
21:03:58 <lar1> I have to look at pretty girls
21:03:59 <ree> after 19 years, I still haven't learned that =(
21:04:02 <lar1> heh
21:04:04 <ree> always sneaks up on me
21:04:09 <nate37> heh
21:04:10 <lar1> Awsome
21:05:08 <ree> dunt de da, dunt de de de da!
21:05:13 <ree> RavenOS
21:05:17 <lar1> What about it?
21:05:24 <ree> Welcome to the RavenOS homepage!
21:05:28 <lar1> Eeek
21:05:33 <lar1> My crapy writing
21:06:02 <ree> I especially like the latest news section
21:06:09 <lar1> Oh?
21:06:11 <lar1> what about it?
21:06:13 <lar1> heh
21:06:22 <lar1> (besides being about half a year old
21:06:34 <ree> ahh, self promotion =)
21:06:48 <lar1> heh
21:06:50 <lar1> yeah
21:06:51 <lar1> well
21:06:54 <lar1> look at lar.cx
21:06:56 <lar1> and you can see
21:06:58 <lar1> how far that god
21:07:01 <lar1> s/god/got
21:07:22 <ree> Page created and maintaied by Jon Lawton
21:07:31 <lar1> Yup
21:07:35 <lar1> Dazza me!
21:07:42 <ree> forgot the n =)
21:07:50 <lar1> Huh?
21:07:53 <nate37> ?
21:07:56 <lar1> You mean the H?
21:08:02 <lar1> It is short for Jonathan
21:08:08 <lar1> so I don't spell Jon John
21:08:09 <ree> maintained
21:08:12 <lar1> Oh
21:08:12 <lar1> heh
21:08:21 <lar1> hah
21:08:21 <nate37> heh
21:08:24 <ree> hehe
21:08:28 <lar1> I must have been tired when I worte that
21:08:36 <nate37> and also please remember that "Nathaniel" is Nuhhhhhhhhh not Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
21:08:37 <ree> yes, I am already making a huge contribution to the raven os project =)
21:08:40 nate37 looks at lar
21:08:43 <ree> maybe I can get a tax return
21:08:51 <ree> first I have to start paying taxes
21:08:56 <lar1> ree:  In comparison to how much I do.  Yes. :P
21:08:58 <lar1> heh
21:09:07 <lar1> Well, uncle sam
21:09:11 <lar1> will pay *you*
21:09:12 <lar1> heh
21:09:27 <nate37> uncy samwy
21:09:34 <lar1> I really have
21:09:35 <lar1> an uncle
21:09:38 <lar1> named Sam
21:09:39 <lar1> heh
21:09:54 <nate37> heh
21:09:59 <lar1> WFT?!?!
21:10:01 <lar1> WTF?!?!!
21:10:03 <nate37> heh
21:10:14 <nate37> ?
21:10:18 <lar1> Damnit
21:10:24 <lar1> THat scared the shit
21:10:24 <nate37> tinmad!
21:10:26 <nate37> what?
21:10:34 <lar1> Well
21:10:35 <nate37> he's tin mad!
21:10:36 <lar1> my mp3 finished
21:10:39 <lar1> and 
21:10:43 <lar1> it started beeping like mad
21:10:47 <nate37> heh
21:10:49 <lar1> the light was off I was lik
21:10:50 <lar1> e
21:10:51 <lar1> ummmm
21:10:52 <lar1> ummmmm
21:10:54 <lar1> ummmmmmm
21:10:59 <nate37> the light was off?
21:11:03 <lar1> TAKE MY DOG!!!
21:11:04 <lar1> hehe
21:11:12 <nate37> oh
21:11:14 <lar1> I still don't know what is beeping
21:11:16 <nate37> hahahahahahaha!
21:11:21 <nate37> aliens!
21:11:27 <lar1> Straight up!
21:11:36 <lar1> Communicating via morse code
21:11:44 <nate37> "Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! they've come to get me! gasses. humpf."
21:11:44 <ree> only aliens exist in the south west
21:11:50 <nate37> heh
21:11:56 <ree> everyone knows that
21:12:05 <nate37> every other place is too cold for them
21:12:14 <ree> heh, I can't believe how many "sightings" there have been in phoenix alone
21:12:14 <nate37> they need desert enviroments
21:12:55 <lar1> Oh I know the problem
21:12:58 <ree> yeah, flying a saucer through outerspace in -400 celsius degree weather doesn't stand up to the cold 60 everywhere else
21:13:02 <lar1> nospace on device :)
21:13:19 <nate37> ree: hhehehhehe
21:13:21 <nate37> lar1: ah
21:13:29 <ree> hehe, thank god for ftp/http resume =)
21:13:33 <nate37> lar1: why did the lights go out?
21:14:18 <ree> who let the dogs out?
21:14:25 <ree> lar!
21:15:48 <ree> well, I'll bbiab, once I know what the hell I am doing with this project hehe
21:16:07 <nate37> heh
21:16:08 <nate37> ok
21:16:10 <nate37> cya
21:16:14 <ree> need to make moola
21:16:21 <ree> later =)
21:16:24 <ree> see you all
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21:16:49 <nate37> MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLA!
21:23:20 <nate37> hmm
21:23:24 nate37 pokes in
21:23:24 <nate37> k
21:23:26 <nate37> ink
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21:27:17 <nate37> hehehhee
21:27:22 <nate37> i poked him off the internet
21:27:25 <nate37> whoops :)
21:31:31 <nate37> pacbell down it seems
22:05:48 <nate37> brb -- iron chef
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22:54:36 <pratap> hi
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22:55:49 <ink> rehi
22:55:54 <ink> (back from dinner)
22:56:00 <ink> alterego is here, btw
22:57:22 <nate37> hey
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23:03:42 <nate37> so
23:03:44 <nate37> what's up?
23:15:51 <ink> hi
23:15:54 <ink> heh, sorry
23:15:57 <ink> coding
23:16:09 <ink> STOP!
23:16:09 <nate37> hehhehehehehe
23:16:13 <ink> grr
23:16:13 <nate37> that worked :)
23:16:15 <nate37> liked it how your box started playing music? :)
23:16:17 <nate37> HEHEHEHEHEHEHE
23:16:18 <ink> I had to /unig oyu
23:16:19 <nate37> well
23:16:23 <nate37> it got some lag
23:16:28 <ink> heh
23:16:29 <nate37> i stoped about 30 seconds ago
23:16:37 <nate37> 14 second latency
23:16:45 <nate37> (a few seconds ago)
23:16:46 <nate37> hehe
23:16:53 <nate37> whatcha coding?
23:16:59 <nate37> did lar come over?
23:17:44 <ink> not today
23:17:48 <ink> coding server stuff
23:18:09 <nate37> server stuff...?
23:19:20 <ink> ummm
23:19:23 <ink> network fun
23:19:29 <ink> dunno what it'll do yet
23:19:32 <ink> per se
23:19:49 <ink> maybe a code forum of sorts
23:19:52 <ink> for TTP
23:19:57 <ink> cade-share  :)
23:19:59 <ink> erm
23:20:02 <ink> code-share
23:20:48 <nate37> heh
23:20:50 <nate37> ok
23:22:12 <ink> )
23:26:41 <ink> whee  :)
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23:28:05 <ink> eh?
23:28:08 <ink> wtf is dat?
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23:28:19 <ink> hehehe
23:30:40 <nate37> heh
23:30:48 <nate37> )
23:32:15 <air> ok
23:32:46 <nate37> what?
23:33:10 ink got vt100 command codes!
23:33:15 <ink> turning text red!  whee!
23:34:10 <nate37> air?
23:34:12 <air> i broke the compiler up into little programs
23:34:12 <air> they should be easier for u guys to work on it
23:34:46 <nate37> heh... ok... .
23:38:04 <nate37> first one...?
23:40:29 <air> 
23:40:37 <ink> dcc get air
23:40:42 <air> heh
23:40:43 <ink> oops
23:40:49 <ink> )
23:41:21 <air> README.layout and src/TODO are good starting points
23:41:26 <nate37> ok
23:42:25 <ink> 'k
23:42:54 <air> this allows it to be used with commands, a console based shell or an xforms gui
23:44:36 <ink> cool
23:44:50 <air> im also thinking about making a bunch of nasm macros and having it output a .asm file full of macros and have nasm assemble them
23:44:54 <air> instead of the bytecode
23:44:58 <ink> nate37: telnet coiley.2y.net 3066
23:45:21 <nate37> why?
23:45:31 <ink> try it  :)
23:45:42 <ink> to see what it is like as of yet
23:45:49 <ink> )
23:45:57 <ink> list kinda works
23:46:01 <ink> exit quits
23:46:14 <air> wow i logged in as root
23:46:15 ink is going to add a '?'
23:46:23 <nate37> wait: heh
23:46:49 <nate37> wtf is it again? :)
23:47:05 <ink> somebody screwed something up
23:47:07 <air> damn u
23:47:13 <ink> a server
23:47:18 <ink> for something
23:47:20 <air> did u boot me?
23:47:27 ink killed the prog
23:47:36 <ink> it was giving fuckey output
23:47:40 <nate37> ink: i'm sure i screwed it up
23:47:45 <ink> heh
23:47:50 <ink> did you ^]?
23:47:53 <air> i almost 0wned yer box
23:47:54 <ink> broken pipes?
23:47:58 <ink> hahaha
23:48:01 <ink> air: howso?
23:48:08 <nate37> ink: "look\nlisten\nFeel\nTouch\nSay Hello" etc...
23:48:09 ink doubts it
23:48:19 <ink> heh
23:48:32 ink doubts air did anything
23:48:39 <air> i logged in as root
23:48:42 <nate37> heh
23:48:46 nate37 thwacks air
23:48:51 <air> yer root passwd is inksucks
23:49:00 <nate37> don't let it go to your head :)
23:49:30 <air> i just caused a little buffer overflow
23:49:42 <air> u might wanna look into fixing that before bringing it back online
23:50:03 <nate37> heh
23:50:28 <ink> heh
23:50:32 <air> damn where is ace
23:50:36 <air> i need some mac fonts
23:52:53 ink thwacks air
23:53:02 ink knew you were bullshitting me  P
23:53:14 <air> eh?
23:53:57 <air> is there a font site?
23:56:26 <ink> nonono
23:56:28 <ink> well, maybe
23:56:39 ink 's root pass is the same as always, dumbass
23:57:08 <air> yer root passwd is dumbass?
23:58:07 <ink> hahaha
23:58:08 <ink> no
23:58:33 <nate37> that's what i was thinking :)
00:00:29 <ink> heh