00:00:00 --- log: started osdev/03.08.07 00:09:04 --- join: zwane_ (User-10602@modemcable009.53-202-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) joined #osdev 00:14:28 blargh 00:15:25 --- join: trans (xkofas@fatwire-201-163.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 00:42:07 THERE, You scared me again! 00:42:09 STOP THAT! 00:50:40 --- quit: trans (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00:59:06 --- quit: Slowcoder ("BitchX-1.0c19 -- just do it.") 01:12:01 --- quit: gfafgawrg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:12:26 --- nick: kyelewis_z||z -> kyelewis 01:13:24 heya osdevers 01:32:06 hello kyelewis 01:32:18 --- quit: air ("cria 0.2.8cvs18 -- http://cria.sf.net") 01:32:23 wow... someone is here? :) 01:34:49 almost 01:35:44 what... so you're almost here? 01:36:07 --- join: lodda (~Lothar@p508FE4BE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 01:38:13 kyelewis: no, I'm almost someone :] 01:38:20 * debug codes some code 01:51:24 --- join: CLxyz (CLxyz@00-01-03-d2-a4-07.bconnected.net) joined #osdev 02:05:41 --- quit: lodda ("Lost terminal") 02:09:55 --- join: lodda (~Lothar@p508FE4BE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 02:15:37 --- quit: kyelewis (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:15:55 --- join: essiene (~essiene@216.147.150.154) joined #osdev 02:16:03 helo folks 02:17:59 i'm just starting to write an OS of my own, and i just wrote the hello world boot loader :D i'm wondering, how can i load a program from another program 02:18:26 i want to just see how this works, before i settle down to doing the filesystem and stuff 02:19:03 well, congrats @ the helloworld 02:19:13 thnx 02:19:19 --- join: trans (flunvu@fatwire-201-163.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 02:19:54 youve done the bootloader and already thinking of filesystem. quite a progress, i must admit 02:20:15 --- join: kyelewis (~kye@220.240.70.107) joined #osdev 02:20:19 and i'm back again 02:20:20 anyway, just compile the code. put it in some memory location, and jmp to it from the bootloader. thats how you execute it 02:20:21 lol... i really want to do this... i dont want to stop half way :D 02:20:25 dont threaten us. kye 02:20:40 mors: thnx... i'll try that :D 02:21:18 am glad you are happy 02:21:25 you wont be after a while 02:21:31 mors: i'll threaten you as much as i like :) 02:21:41 :P 02:22:19 mors: me? happy? :D 02:22:44 with all the :D and all , you seemed to be 02:22:46 hmm 02:22:54 lol 02:23:13 :( now am sad @(^_-)@ 02:23:44 * mors kills himself 02:23:54 * kyelewis looks at mors 02:23:57 * kyelewis looks at the blood 02:24:03 * kyelewis licks the blood 02:24:08 * kyelewis thinks the blood is tasty 02:24:33 * kyelewis bottles the blood and calls it "Pulse Soda" - "It's what really makes you go" 02:25:01 * mors dies a pitiful death.. watching his blood being drunk by a cretin 02:25:51 * kyelewis makes lots of money from his drink 02:25:56 * kyelewis retires a rich millionaire 02:26:17 * kyelewis thinks of mors, regrets that someone had to die for his riches... and purchases a death-undoing machine 02:26:24 * kyelewis revives mors 02:26:28 * kyelewis stops using /me 02:26:39 * mors is grateful 02:26:46 ahhh... i see.. i have to access the device first to read the program i want to load... hmmm :D 02:26:58 that's int 13 on intel rite? 02:27:02 very intelligent. you will learn more 02:27:19 i'm loading for now 02:27:21 yes, bios int 13 02:27:24 cool 02:27:26 thnx 02:30:42 umm... if i'm writing to my floppy with dd, and i specify bs=512, then i say skip=1, will that skip 512 bytes before writing? 02:31:06 well, i use seek=1 02:31:53 ok.... yeah... i see.. seek is for output.. cool 02:32:58 dont be surprised when I tell you how much all this tips have cost you. so, make sure each question is important. each question is counted... 02:33:23 lol 02:33:35 * essiene checks his bank balance 02:33:50 hmmm... i think i can only afford 100 more questions... 02:33:51 :) 02:33:58 can i take an overdraft? :D 02:34:25 each answer is worth 100$ and if kyewelis answers is, then its only 5$ 02:34:52 * essiene looks around for kyelewis ... a much cheaper alternative to mors 02:35:05 lol 02:35:28 but it will almost take 25 questions to get the right answer from him 02:35:47 damn!!... i knew there had to be a catch :D 02:35:53 ;) 02:36:45 *sigh* 03:00:42 --- join: rosseaux (~benjamin@p508EB103.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 03:00:43 --- quit: essiene (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:00:51 hi 03:15:43 --- quit: rosseaux () 03:17:15 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:22:52 --- quit: lodda ("Lost terminal") 03:59:44 --- join: ReKleSS (~ReKleSS@c210-49-235-138.mckinn1.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined #osdev 04:24:28 --- nick: kyelewis -> kyelewis_away 04:25:24 bbl osdevers 04:25:27 heya ReKleSS 04:25:30 bye ReKleSS :) 04:32:31 --- quit: MoneyCat (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:33:18 --- join: MoneyCat (MoneyCat@frm-64-4-102-97.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 04:36:44 --- join: trans (almuyo@fatwire-201-163.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 04:58:36 --- quit: Odin- ("What if you were unable to wake from that dream?") 04:59:30 --- quit: ReKleSS ("I came, I saw, I deleted all your files") 05:16:36 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:30:41 --- quit: debug ("Client Exiting") 05:35:57 --- join: lodda (~Lothar@p508FE7EC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #osdev 06:00:41 --- join: draq (ident@203-219-179-14-nsw.tpgi.com.au) joined #osdev 06:26:54 --- quit: file[bed] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:36:22 --- join: file-mctnlug (~file@mctn1-8079.nb.aliant.net) joined #osdev 06:36:48 --- join: trans (ootway@fatwire-201-163.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 07:12:55 --- quit: trans (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:20:53 --- join: gfafgawrg (~gfafgawrg@213-35-249-113-dsl.kvm.estpak.ee) joined #osdev 07:24:05 --- quit: Boney (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:30:09 --- join: Boney (~paul@m041-116.nv.iinet.net.au) joined #osdev 07:39:01 idle channel :/ 07:42:16 hm. yeah, mostly idle 07:42:42 everyone got jobs or busy with college probably 07:43:02 i got summer holidays 07:43:07 6 weeks 07:43:27 cool. so whatcha gonna do in the 6weeks 07:46:39 getting wasted every single day! 07:47:22 :) 07:47:58 its been so looooong since ive had more than one week holidays 07:51:42 --- join: debboy (~debboyee@pool-68-161-128-112.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined #osdev 07:53:36 --- part: debboy left #osdev 07:55:08 --- join: dms (~dms@d-ri1-095.globalnet.hr) joined #osdev 07:56:59 --- quit: draq (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:09:48 --- join: Smari (~pete@optimized.bitcode.org) joined #osdev 08:10:08 mur? 08:15:03 --- join: vqp (HjuT@c-914272d5.01-94-7673741.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #osdev 08:32:17 --- quit: Smari (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:32:19 --- quit: dms (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:36:17 mors: well nothing at all. going to a few places and coding(dunno what yet though) :) 08:37:30 --- join: trans (vqibtl@fatwire-201-163.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 08:42:38 --- join: Smari (~pete@optimized.bitcode.org) joined #osdev 08:42:46 hey smari :) 08:42:56 at Assembly '03 yet? :) 08:51:00 --- join: dms (~dms@d-ri1-047.globalnet.hr) joined #osdev 08:53:46 --- quit: MoneyCat (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:56:11 --- quit: Smari (Remote closed the connection) 09:05:13 --- join: MoneyCat (MoneyCat@frm-64-4-102-218.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 09:07:35 --- join: idle (MoneyCat@frm-64-4-102-218.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 09:07:35 --- quit: MoneyCat (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:08:39 hello 09:08:58 air: does cria disable terminal echoing? 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13:09:32 define active :) 13:09:50 the only one responding on my global 'hi' command 13:10:12 heh, I guess he has me ignored 13:10:19 well yea if you want to troll geist 13:10:27 yeah, I'm such a troll 13:10:33 :) 13:10:47 nah i meant Mathis 13:10:55 oh I see 13:10:59 yeah, well anyway 13:10:59 lodda? 13:11:11 I dont care about that stuff, that was soooo last week 13:11:26 Mathis. 13:11:30 now what I care about is getting outgoing mail working again 13:11:41 who is geist? 13:11:55 ah the trolling begins again. *sigh* 13:12:41 yep i will stop talking to mathis here about geist :) 13:12:44 who cares about Mathis? 13:12:55 hi cookin! 13:12:57 cookin what's cookin? 13:12:58 not me 13:13:05 --- mode: ChanServ set +o cookin 13:13:15 --- mode: cookin set +b *!*@*.dip.t-dialin.net 13:13:22 ooops 13:13:32 --- mode: cookin set -b *!*@*.dip.t-dialin.net 13:13:34 --- mode: ChanServ set +o lodda 13:13:45 cookin! 13:13:51 --- mode: lodda set -o lodda 13:14:01 just use +q 13:14:06 --- mode: cookin set -o cookin 13:14:14 oh guys, just forget it 13:14:26 hi geist, hi lodda! 13:14:32 damn this hurts. 13:14:33 it's no big thing, if mathis wants to be a baby about something (I've already forgot), just let him 13:14:34 well i'm personally affected by his ban :) 13:14:58 i'm sitting on the floor. 13:15:06 get a chair 13:15:13 well, the computer is on the floor. 13:15:18 aren't you from sweden? 13:15:18 you guys have ikea 13:15:23 ikea pretty much rules 13:15:27 just lay down 13:15:32 ikea rules, fo real! 13:15:42 you should be able to have all the furniture you want 13:15:54 since I assume the entire country is a furniture factory 13:15:54 I have something like 200 km to the biggest IKEA in the world. 13:15:59 og lliw I ,ereh eb ot ton em tnaw uoy fi 13:16:05 they're building a new one about 2 miles from work 13:16:15 This is the original one. 13:16:18 going to open it soon, then the pain will begin 13:16:18 The first store. 13:16:26 hmm i dislike ikea 13:16:34 heh, I must make a pilgrimage to the origina ikea 13:16:44 hehe 13:16:54 it's pretty cool that the original ikea is still the biggest one. 13:17:11 their storage is _huge_ 13:17:32 well i guess in sweden ground is quite cheap :P 13:18:00 esp in Älmhult. 13:18:08 the town is more or less just IKEA 13:18:55 geist: you're a stucker for IKEA? 13:19:03 more or less 13:19:14 ultimately it's pretty cheap stuff, but that's fine with me. I move a lot 13:19:16 is that more or less the trent in US? 13:19:27 trend 13:19:34 ikea is big here 13:19:39 though there are only about 20 or so in the US 13:19:48 but everyone knows about ikea 13:19:55 i guess they got bigger after Fight Club :) 13:19:59 every time I've been to one there is a million people around 13:20:57 i doubt a million people fit into one ikea store :) 13:22:28 you'd be suprised 13:23:31 when I shared an appartment with some friend we used to have "going to IKEA" as our sunday fun 13:23:43 sometime we get stones and go in and just stin in the soafas. 13:23:45 sit 13:23:48 stoned 13:24:01 it's quite hard to type when you're lying on the floor. 13:24:08 haha, with all the people walking by 13:24:15 yeah 13:24:29 i've got a "IKEA air" soafa 13:24:45 it's filled with air, as a big baloon 13:24:52 quite comfy 13:26:17 --- join: pavlovski (~tim@host217-42-6-52.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) joined #osdev 13:26:19 pavlovski! 13:26:24 hi! 13:26:51 so hot! 13:26:56 damn hot 13:27:08 it's still 24 degrees C outside 13:27:13 and it's 22:30 13:27:14 phew 13:27:24 how hot during the day? 13:27:28 ~30 13:27:32 35 in London yesterday 13:27:40 a bit hotter in the sun 13:28:01 or you could just say; It's too hot in here 13:28:15 35-40°C here daytime 13:28:15 as Nelly would have said it. 13:28:23 lodda: where are you? 13:28:29 germany :) 13:28:30 It's getting hot in here, so take off all your clothes... 13:28:50 and yeah, I'm dying here 13:28:58 yay! last day at job tomorrow. 13:29:05 * pavlovski eats a cutty 13:29:06 no airco for me D: 13:29:08 *curry 13:29:13 --- quit: Mathis ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 13:29:17 good, got it working 13:29:17 me's making pasta. 13:29:27 make it HOT! 13:29:28 so i got something to eat at work tomorrow. 13:29:28 geist: that's great! 13:29:35 but what is it? 13:29:37 not sure what I did, but it just started working 13:29:45 local delivery of mail 13:29:53 I recently did a freebsd update, and sendmail broke 13:29:54 damn, you rule! 13:29:56 nothing good at TV. 13:30:19 pavlovski: I've heard some roumers that they're showing Young Ones on BBC Prime at this moment 13:30:28 hmm? 13:30:35 bah, I don't have BBC Prime 13:30:43 :/ 13:30:52 Young Ones is the best brittish series ever 13:31:02 yes! 13:31:09 --- join: witten_ (~witten@ip-64-32-131-193.dsl.lax.megapath.net) joined #osdev 13:31:12 w! 13:31:24 witten, is it hot? 13:31:43 Young Ones? 13:33:25 * debug codes code 13:34:52 * pavlovski listens to his new Kraftwerk CD 13:35:04 Rico: http://www.phill.co.uk/comedy/young/ 13:36:06 http://www.cultv.co.uk/young.htm 13:36:15 oh that one, I've seen it a couple of times 13:38:10 going to sleep. 13:38:11 see yah 13:38:26 * geist heads over to a dealership to buy a bike 13:42:49 --- join: file (~file@mctn1-8079.nb.aliant.net) joined #osdev 13:44:16 --- join: albe (~albe@ppp-22-252.29-151.libero.it) joined #osdev 13:44:20 hello 13:46:54 --- join: wossname (wossname@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp81775.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #osdev 13:51:01 hey 13:58:17 --- join: air (~brand@12-210-175-51.client.attbi.com) joined #osdev 14:00:40 --- join: trans (anrlit@fatwire-201-163.uniserve.ca) joined #osdev 14:11:39 does someone use the l4 microkernel? 14:11:48 sure 14:11:54 just no one in here :) 14:12:30 no one? oh... 14:12:43 its all about writing yer own 14:13:14 using l4 would be like making a linux distro 14:13:14 not really osdev :) 14:14:11 mmh...i dont think so, i think that writing servers on top of a microkernel means writing your own OS... 14:15:01 osdev == write a boot sector that prints "hello world!" ;) 14:15:21 writing servers could count as osdev 14:15:41 but im pretty sure no one here has done it 14:17:17 ok...do you know where i can find people having some fun with l4 or some other microkernel? 14:18:25 --- quit: zwane_ (Remote closed the connection) 14:19:48 maybe dax, but he hasn't been online for a months now :/ 14:19:56 have u looked around at http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/L4/ and http://l4ka.org/ ? 14:20:52 there's a list of projects using l4, maybe they have irc channels 14:20:54 yes...but i still can't find some informations i need... 14:21:09 uhm, yes that's right, i'll try there ;) 14:21:33 DROPS, sawmill, mungi, ... 14:21:51 lodda: I'm always online! 14:21:59 heh 14:22:11 er the belgian dax :) 14:22:43 * lodda wonders where/if he is :| 14:23:04 belgians are weird 14:23:27 uhm? 14:24:10 hey! 14:24:16 maybe some of u can help 14:24:27 with? 14:24:34 http://12.210.175.51/meals --> click meal planner in top right corner, fill in the form to get to next page, drag-n-drop some links to form on left side and move on to next page, keep moving on (cancel the print job) until u get to the page with grocery list. anyone know how to make that better, its confusing my family? 14:24:39 I do NOT identify dead bodies! 14:25:32 Rico: u spend an enormous amount of time changing the style on yer contentless website, u should be an expert at this 14:25:49 Rico: so, care to help solve my problem? ;) 14:26:06 hah 14:27:49 for what do you need a meal planner for your family? and more important: since when do you have a family? :) 14:27:57 air: i tried it and yes, it feels rather userunfriendly some way 14:28:07 lodda: extended family 14:28:31 lodda: so we can all share meals and damn! this thing makes shopping easy 14:28:55 it will print out a meal schedule AND a grocery list 14:29:21 Rico: got any suggestions? 14:30:35 ehhhm... NO! 14:31:20 It's rather complicated to make your grocery list using your method 14:31:21 albe: http://l4ka.org/team/ <-- lots of emails 14:31:41 hm uhm 14:31:45 oh...thank you :) 14:31:51 when I know I want to eat eggs, I check if I have enough eggs in house, if so, no worries, if not, I have to buy some. 14:31:59 able, SPAM!!! 14:32:02 :) 14:32:18 DISable >:) 14:32:29 ;) 14:32:39 here in holland you buy a pack of 6 or 12 eggs at once. 14:32:46 Rico: same here 14:32:58 maybe they all buy their stuff together? :) 14:33:17 like 500 eggs for the whole family :) 14:33:24 Rico: if it tells u to buy 10 eggs then u buy one pack of 12 14:33:42 --- join: gianluca (~glguida@ppp-49-134.28-151.libero.it) joined #osdev 14:33:44 --- join: jsr (www@du-14-239.ppp.telenordia.se) joined #osdev 14:33:48 so why the complex grocery list system? sometimes my meals don't always have the exact same ingredients, I improvise with some stuff I have at home and if I see something interesting in the grocery store. 14:33:53 Rico: it sees that u want to have 2 eggs every day for 5 days, so u need 10 eggs 14:33:59 hi 14:34:10 eating eggs every day is bad for your health 14:34:17 Rico: and if one of yer dinners calls for an egg then u need 11 eggs 14:34:18 oh well i think your ppl are able to calculate 5*2 14:34:26 Rico: it manages all that for u 14:34:38 Rico: u dont need to worry what each meal requires 14:34:58 it complicates everything a lot imHo 14:35:00 yes, the cookbook does that for me :) and my mom on the phone :D 14:35:07 lol 14:35:08 Rico: i know, its just an example 14:35:14 damn 14:35:20 wossie 14:35:20 is it ok to eat sunflower seeds, shell and all? 14:35:29 i'm tired of cracking these shells off 14:35:32 yes, it just seems to be a lot of trouble to do something that's going along nicely already... 14:36:06 but back to your question, that move up/move down list thingy... 14:36:53 I think it is that you are limited to html forms, when I would make something like this within a normal gui, I would do it like this: 14:36:58 wossname well you can try at least once 14:37:38 good point 14:37:51 hey, not bad 14:37:55 Have one listbox that contains all grocery items you have to buy, select one and then with only two buttons in total for the whole move up/move down listbox, move the selected item. 14:38:00 i hope i don't die 14:38:08 if you want to move another item, select it and move it up or down. 14:38:36 wossname: I've done it a lot of time before 14:38:55 cool 14:38:56 it severely damages your brain, just look at me!!! 14:38:58 Rico: that is what i want to do 14:38:59 :o 14:39:02 Rico: but i dont know how 14:39:20 first of all, html forms support listboxes right? 14:39:31 Rico: i know how to change text in form boxes but not lists 14:39:38 Rico: