00:00:00 --- log: started osdev/01.10.19 00:00:00 so 00:00:27 blanket over head 00:01:34 seriously tho most kids my age won't even except 40 year olds as humans! 00:02:11 --- join: geist (geist@pool0423.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net) joined #osdev 00:02:23 air: and how tf is a palm a baby? 00:02:51 its tiny 00:03:03 u breeded with yer computer and had a visor 00:03:10 heh 00:03:21 hah 00:03:23 my baby is brain damaged. keeps forgetting the date 00:03:36 haha 00:03:53 still born is when u bring yer visor home and it wont work 00:04:02 geist: one 32-bit data value: 'date' 00:04:17 air: So what is a teenager? 00:04:31 yer 286 00:04:31 a machine that only runs windowS? 00:04:33 heh 00:04:51 well a laptop would be a teen 00:05:43 what if i add a keyboard to my visor? a toddler? 00:06:34 ye gods 00:06:49 i do have more machines then ppl i talk to often in real life 00:07:12 u are trying to make a family 00:07:21 yes heh 00:07:29 all my puters speak different languages 00:07:39 ? 00:07:45 geist: interracial family 00:07:50 haa 00:08:00 well, maybe not. I have a lot of machines with different architecture cpus 00:08:05 hmm air: but the baby is different then rest of my machines 00:08:19 air: affair :( 00:08:20 yeah, they all speak the same language, just interracial 00:09:18 geist: u got any babies? 00:09:22 or teens? 00:10:49 ummm, I suppose. not entirely sure of the baby metaphor you guys have going here, but I think I have one or two 00:11:02 pda 00:11:18 oh yeah, I have an ol Palm III but it's forgetting the date 00:11:18 and teen=laptop 00:11:31 and a sony vaio teenager 00:11:36 haha 00:11:53 the life of nerds 00:11:59 yeah, it's pretty pathetic 00:12:30 i wanna get a Go Type! keyboard for my visor 00:12:53 air: you have the biggest family 00:13:03 nope 00:13:07 ? 00:13:18 are we gonna start the computer count? 00:13:22 it's inevitable 00:13:35 i have a dead baby (zoomer), a baby (palm pro) and 1 adult computer 00:13:43 good for you 00:13:45 my_computer_cout > your_computer_count;! 00:13:52 hmm 00:14:02 air: zoomer? 00:14:03 see so i dont have largest family 00:14:07 tandy zoomer 00:14:11 air: what about all ur other hardware 00:14:13 one of the first pdas 00:14:18 oh 00:14:21 8088 cpu 00:14:29 hah cool 00:14:36 well not 8088 its the nec one 00:14:39 but same thing 00:14:42 i count 6 computers 00:14:48 no no 00:15:03 okay, define a computer thats worth being counted and I'll count mine 00:15:08 technically i own them but they are for other ppl 00:15:09 pilot and uhh smart baby (hp48gx) 00:15:16 air: who? 00:15:19 defiant is? 00:15:25 defiant is mine 00:15:25 the p90 at cabin is? 00:15:29 ok 00:15:29 borg is? 00:15:34 borg is mine 00:15:54 but the p90 is kinda for everyone 00:15:57 spare parts 00:15:58 AGP Matrox Millenium G200 8meg 00:15:59 AGP Matrox Millenium II 4meg 00:16:00 ?!? 00:16:07 those are spare parts? ;( 00:16:10 ya 00:16:14 wanna buy em 00:16:29 yah :) 00:16:32 heh 00:16:45 I have spare mill ii 8meg and spare 3dfx voodoo 3 00:16:59 geist: pci? 00:17:12 umm, mill 2 is, 3dfx is not 00:17:21 but it's actually not that spare, I use it sometimes 00:17:25 i think he needs pci 00:17:32 the mill 2 is in the newos test machine 00:17:51 oh wait, i think i put the g200 in one of those other machines 00:17:54 yah pci and maybe agp for hmm 00:17:59 nate37: i have a v1 00:18:02 i think porta might have agp slot 00:18:07 air: voodoo one> 00:18:13 yup 00:18:29 PCI Matrox Millenium 4meg -- that have any 3d accel? 00:18:45 no 00:18:54 heh actually i don't need one 00:18:57 i have a mill 1 and 2 00:19:08 I count 11 machines here if you dont count pdas, calculators, stuff older than 10 years old 00:19:08 i'd use it for 2 minutes then not 00:19:13 air: does it have OpenGL? 00:19:13 assuming i put the g200 in that machine 00:19:23 geist: heh 00:19:28 the g200 has 3d 00:19:31 geist: www.nate37.net/~nate/hardware/ 00:19:38 the other mills dont 00:19:44 oh wait, 12 00:20:02 see 00:20:08 cant find page 00:20:09 i have smallest computer family 00:20:16 :/ 00:20:16 and geist is the most pathetic 00:20:17 :) 00:20:18 good for you, I have too many machines 00:20:29 heh 00:20:29 I'm actually going to get rid of a lot of them. 00:20:33 oh wait 13, forgot one 00:20:39 hahha 00:20:42 hahaha 00:20:44 that one was at work 00:20:45 geist is gonna be a dead beat dad 00:20:47 i have 5 machines + pda + calc 00:21:00 geist: how many monitors? 00:21:04 i wanna teenager 00:21:19 13 + pda + 2 calcs + 3 apple 2s + 2 apple 2gs 00:21:41 2 dreamcasts, which I bought explicitly to be computers and not game consoles 00:22:05 and a good calc is an autistic baby 00:22:14 think anyone will trade a 286, 486 and macse for a laptop? :) 00:22:28 air: heh 00:22:40 monitors: 1 17" + 1 19" + 1 15" (in iMac) + 1 14" + 1 17" (for sgi indy) + 1 20" (for Sun workstation) 00:22:50 damn 00:22:53 I'm going to get rid of the sgi and sun one and possibly the 14" 00:23:26 19" 17" 14" (fscked svga) 14" (fscked vga) 00:23:38 I only have 3 of the machines set up now, rest are in storage 00:23:46 heh 00:23:55 fuck I have too many machines 00:24:11 geist: butthey are yer friends 00:24:17 I just had to move all of them and I felt it. a lot of them are pretty small though, so that's not that big of a deal 00:24:34 oh yeah one more machine, 14 00:24:38 forgot about the bebox 00:24:39 hahahaha 00:24:46 damn 00:24:56 geist is a very lonely nerd 00:25:01 i wish laptops were cheaper 00:25:06 you see why I wanted to design my OS to be cross-platform 00:25:14 heh 00:25:24 he surrounds himself with computers so he feels as if in a crowd/party 00:25:27 air: i can't even consider you a nerd anymore 00:25:29 /kb air 00:25:38 haha 00:25:50 im only a partial nerd 00:25:56 actually, I'm not that lonely at all. I have a pretty good group of friends, and we hang out a lot 00:26:03 how the fsck are you a partial nerd when ur on irc all day?? 00:26:04 I try to not be too nerdy 00:26:22 irc is eating into my anti-nerd image, however 00:26:29 heh 00:26:54 i did ok at chawanakee 00:26:57 geist: if u have 14 computer u never had an anti-nerd image 00:27:08 nate37: that was a nerd farm 00:27:09 everybody except waterfront (asshole) ppl are nerds 00:27:13 well, I never have more than 2 or 3 working at a time 00:27:20 dvd players in every cabin 00:27:23 laptops 00:27:27 nate37: we talked about this earlier, boy scouts is for nerds 00:27:37 I'm more of a packrat than anything else 00:27:53 air: but there are non nerd ppl that don't wanna be there in boy scouts 00:28:01 air: and lotta nerds not into computers 00:28:12 counselor boy scout however higher concentration 00:28:17 anyway, having a bunch of machines is only part of the picture. if you sit around and talk about irc and have no social graces, that's more of a sure sign than anything else 00:28:45 welll 00:28:53 geist: do lug meetings count? :) 00:29:00 hehe 00:29:05 nate37: go to the next high school football game and take a vote on the nerd status of boy scout camp 00:29:16 ugh 00:29:30 i actually got into a conversation on a train at 4am with a football player 00:29:44 I'm in a rock band too. but that can still be sort of nerdy 00:29:50 nate37: was he alone? 00:29:55 he wasn't the brightest person under the sun 00:30:04 air: alone? 00:30:16 he was alone and bored, he would talk to anyone just to be talking 00:30:18 air: well we were all up at midnight in the observation car 00:30:42 well anyway, I try to keep the nerd image at a minimum, and I've seen a lot of people that have successfully kept the nerd image at bay and been a successful and intellegent computer hacker 00:30:43 him and some dude that wasn't too nice going to philmont (boy scout camp) and some girl from kansas that is studying CS 00:31:02 ok ok 00:31:08 i guess ur right :) 00:31:28 geist: yer day job is computers, u irc all night 00:31:28 geist: what is the "nerd image" btw 00:31:41 geist: how exactly is that keeping it to a minimum? 00:31:54 i would say yer maximizing it 00:32:03 hah 00:32:08 air: well, unfortunately, the irc is starting to be a bigger part of my day. this channel is not helping. I will probably stop spending so much time here 00:32:10 how many nerds play guitar? 00:32:25 lots 00:32:25 ugh 00:32:33 nerds in denial 00:32:36 the key to detecting the nerd image is how they react around girls 00:32:37 heh 00:32:48 geist: heh 00:32:52 if u were any good then its a different story 00:32:52 geist: which is? 00:33:05 by any good i mean, HAVE YER OWN ALBUM 00:33:11 can the nerd successfully go to a club in the city and not look like a total dork 00:33:13 that ppl BUY 00:33:38 air: i can play pretty good.. well like play stuff other ppl made, done a little improve.. don't have much passion tho 00:33:39 geist: u got a gf? 00:33:49 geist: hahaha 00:34:19 i actully have no notion of what to do at a club 00:34:20 the other one is a nerd cannot tell if others are ignoring them when they talk about something that others obviously dont care about. that's social graces 00:34:20 nate37: if u aint got an album dont bring it up :) 00:34:39 nate37: he has a pretty screwed notion of musicanship 00:34:50 i can tell if ppl are ignoring me 00:34:55 but i keep on talking anyway :) 00:34:58 heh 00:35:09 yah 00:35:13 bingo 00:35:33 "uhh whatever" is my keyword :) 00:35:39 (that i know somebody is ignoring) 00:35:40 :P 00:35:41 or the wandering eyes 00:35:49 uhh whatever 00:35:53 well tho actually i don't get into computers unless i know their into them 00:36:00 air: :p 00:36:00 good idea 00:36:07 that scares people off like crazy 00:36:17 i could talk about bands ok.. at least older bands 00:36:20 girls no like that (if they themselves aren't into computers) 00:36:25 i dont like to talk about computers 00:36:33 cuz then they start asking questions 00:36:48 geist: actually i don't drone on about something unless they start talking about it 00:36:56 then they feel like im their computer consultant and will do shitloads of free computer work for them 00:36:59 I'm very suprised at the amount of people I know around here that are bigtime computer programmers and are very good that have no computers at home at all 00:37:02 "build me a computer" 00:37:07 that's a goal 00:37:08 actually about the opposite of waht i do in this channel 00:37:15 "this computer u build dont work anymore" 00:37:41 yah i try not to answer many questions on mailing lists 00:37:46 actually i usually don't answer any 00:37:50 "why does this windows computer u built always crash" 00:38:08 and there are ppl like that at LUG too 00:38:11 yeah, I used to do a lot of that in college. the workload builds up after a while 00:38:30 I pretty much stayed away from lugs and clubs in general at college 00:38:38 "nathaniel, i have a problem" "nathaniel, do you know anything about initialization scripts" "nathaniel i can't play sounds in kde" augh 00:38:42 probably should have been more active, but there were a lot of nerds there 00:38:44 geist: thats like a mechanic not owning a car 00:38:49 it's crazy 00:39:07 but a lot of people get it out of their system during the day and want to not take work home 00:39:12 there are only a few ppl i like to actually be around at LUG actually, and those are ppl that don't ask the questions 00:39:23 geist: yah 00:39:34 and do other things like paint or read or cook or workout or make music or wackoff or whatever 00:39:34 i belive it 00:39:55 they get work done instead of getting to latest linux kernel build 00:40:11 hah 00:40:37 it's a pretty good goal. One of my old roommates and a guy I work with a lot at work is a genius at programming. he has no computer no TV just doesn't have a lot of possessions. He is perfectly content with that 00:41:09 the man has written no less than 3 different operating systems, and countless other programming projects. 00:41:43 my average schedule for the day is: wakeup at 10am, check email, get breakfast read comics, do something with computer, do school for a bit.. by 5am dad gets home, still doing computer and school stuff, then eat dinner between 6 and 7, watch some tv (about an hour) go on nordic track and then go to room, finish up any school i didn't do and go on computer until 3am 00:42:01 oh yeah he also worked at a movie theater cleaning up after people for a few years after high school before deciding he should go to college and had never touched a computer in his life. He's 25 now 00:42:31 well he learned computer in collage or something? 00:42:41 no shower after the nordic track? 00:42:44 another friend of mine dropped out of HS when he was 15, went straight to working at computer startups, is now 21 and has a Z3 and is pretty smart 00:42:46 u stinking nerd 00:42:49 :) 00:42:53 air: oh yah shower somewhere in there (once a day) 00:43:05 u shower before the nordic track right? 00:43:20 nate37: yeah, he picked up computers entirely in college. He's also a phenomenal guitar player 00:43:42 air: and throw boy scouts or some otherthing i have to go to (service project, i do do a lot of service hours when i can (ie laying blocks, digging trenches, poaring concrete)) 00:44:08 air: yah usually take shower at around 3 or 4 00:44:24 ahahahah 00:44:26 air: nordic track because i used to run but havn't in a while 00:44:36 pig 00:44:41 yeah, that's good. also dont get the nerd gut 00:44:41 i can do nordic track fine at highest resistance setting tho :) 00:45:09 as you get older it'll pile on if you dont watch it 00:45:19 geist: i already got screwed with that when i was like 8, not as bad now tho 00:45:29 geist: u know from experience? 00:45:59 altho that wasn't from computers as much as grandma taking me out every sunday and being home schoooled with no physical activities 00:46:00 that sucked 00:46:12 after I got out of college at which I worked out quite a bit I started getting a little gut, started doing kickboxing and working out more, and away it goes 00:46:30 gotta keep it up 00:46:44 i need to start doing situps and running again (trimmed a lot of weight off that way before) 00:47:02 yeah, plus it just makes you feel better in general 00:47:18 yeah 00:47:28 a couple of friends of mine are going to start going to a gym every morning and I may join in, but that means I gots to go to sleep earlier 00:47:38 this 2-3 am thing wont cut it for that 00:47:48 yeah 00:48:07 i situp every hour while sleeping so i try to sleep for long periods 12-14hrs a day so i get a good workout 00:48:22 if i actually went to school i'd prolly be thinner 00:48:26 but if I am just spending it talking on irc then it's not a big loss 00:48:30 its the walking 3 ft to go to school heh 00:48:48 nate37: how old are you, BTW? just wondering where you are in the game of life 00:48:54 15 00:49:05 oh wow, thought you were older than that 00:49:15 yeah lot of people do 00:49:29 home school I guess. you have a more flexible schedule. 00:49:33 heh 00:49:47 home school without the groups or anything 00:50:04 I dont like the home school thing, I personally think it's a bad idea for a lot of reasons 00:50:21 if you wanna know somebody that was born as old.. :/ 00:50:29 s/ as// 00:50:41 geist: i agree but i'm not going there 00:50:44 on the other hand, the high school I went to sucked. 00:50:52 nate37: heh 00:51:10 i was lucky and got a good highschool 00:51:23 how old did you think i was? 00:51:26 #1 drug free school in the nation while i was there 00:51:28 heh 00:51:54 got screwed on the city tho, no dsl/cable/56k 00:52:03 nate37: not sure, I was starting to figure it out, but at first you sounded like you had a flexible schedule with school so I figured college 00:52:19 heh 00:52:29 but I figured it out when you said home school earlier, just wanted to verify 00:52:52 air: i'm definantly not ink-sized tho 00:52:59 haha 00:53:20 was ink portly? 00:53:23 i've had at least 3 ppl come up to me and say i should be in football 00:53:47 air: you can just tell by pictures of face heh 00:54:05 i thought i saw a picture of him 00:54:22 * geist downloads a copy of brix and tries it out 00:54:26 he coulda shed a few pounds but he was fat 00:54:47 geist: that is there for those that feel the need to download something 00:54:51 i like salad a lot tho 00:55:10 i ate a lot of salad at chawanankee 00:55:13 * air dislikes salad 00:55:22 i don't like most vegetables tho 00:55:27 brocelli is good 00:55:32 carrots are good 00:55:41 onions are good and cabbage is good 00:55:42 veggies arent very good 00:55:47 i like choc donuts 00:55:49 heh 00:55:51 air: I know the feeling. I have the same prob. I didn't want downloads but everyone kept asking. then they ask me what they hell they can do with it. 'nothing' 00:55:55 how tf are you not ink-sized air? 00:56:00 and bigmacs and pizza 00:56:09 i eat one meal per day 00:56:28 * geist doesn't have bochs floating around on this machine 00:56:36 and i bloat myself 00:56:41 consisting of a 2 bigmacs, super-sized fries, chocolate dounuts and a large pizza? 00:56:55 hhahh 00:57:07 well i prefer a dozen donuts 00:57:12 heh 00:57:17 "assorted pack" 00:57:28 i can eat half a large pizza in a sitting 00:57:37 yah pizza good 00:57:39 or a dozen donuts 00:57:41 4 slizes or so 00:57:53 donuts i can only eat about 2, maybe 3 at the most if i tried 00:57:57 pumpkin pie 00:58:02 had two last night 00:58:03 THAT IS GOOD 00:58:05 heh 00:58:15 i like apple and cherry pie now tho 00:58:23 actually i do like a lot of vegetables i guess 00:58:25 also had two full plates of mexican food 00:58:28 heh 00:58:28 * geist is getting hungry thinking of this 00:58:46 i am already hungry 00:58:49 * geist realizes he didn't eat dinner today 00:58:53 has anybody ever seen a fat vegetarian? 00:58:59 nate37: yes 00:59:13 hmm 00:59:15 vegetarians can eat pasta 00:59:21 and pasta is what makes u fat 00:59:27 carbs 00:59:37 meats and veggies are good for u 00:59:59 its pasta? damn 01:00:07 so what if that large pizza aint got meat 01:00:32 ok i'll eat salads for breakfast and lunch 01:00:42 * nate37 wonders about french onion soup 01:00:43 heh 01:00:48 pasta salad is the only salad i like 01:01:09 oh and my mexican salad 01:01:13 i just like blue cheese, cesar or italian salad with romain lettuce 01:01:18 heh 01:01:37 air: how long were u in boy scouts? 01:01:40 it has lettuce and dorritos, olives, hamburger, hot sauce,etc 01:01:46 hahaha 01:01:59 no pizza crust or pepperonis in there? :) 01:02:02 oh its a taco salad 01:02:12 everything a taco has 01:02:13 * geist wishes he had finished his eagle scout but ran out of steam before he could finish the project 01:02:25 geist: hhow far did you get? 01:02:26 geist: failed nerd 01:02:29 then high school happened 01:02:33 heh 01:02:39 yea happens to a lot of ppl 01:02:42 air: proud of it 01:02:45 last minute scramble at 17? :) 01:02:49 geist: at least u didnt become a fully qualified nerd 01:03:06 geist: i dropped out much sooner 01:03:09 no, I turned 16, got a car and high school became a central thing 01:03:10 geist: i've just started eagle project, planning stage 01:03:17 heh 01:03:32 * air thinks nate will become full nerd 01:03:40 master nerd 01:04:04 nate37: finish it 01:04:14 haha 01:04:18 it's not a super big deal but it's pretty nice to have said you did 01:04:27 yup 01:04:28 oh don't worry i will 01:04:36 I was all the way there, just had the project to do 01:04:37 get a nerd tattoo on yer forehead too 01:04:57 geist: planning as in i picked project, just waiting on letter from organazation saying i got the project in writing 01:05:12 geift: www.nate37.net/~nate/eagleproj/ 01:05:18 if ur interested 01:05:22 trouble is I didn't have many contacts with the community. the rural town I was in in Texas was all church driven and I didn't go to church so I didn't know a lot of people in the community so it was hard to find a project 01:05:43 air: is that good or bad? 01:05:58 bad 01:06:25 nate37: that'll be a good one 01:06:29 geist: did you give me source for the java bytecode interpretter? 01:06:34 geist: thanks 01:06:37 nope 01:07:10 geist: i really like it, lot of ppl just poar concrete or put in a wall.. adds something nice to something but not really complete 01:07:24 this will benefit the community as a nice garden, teaching tool, etc 01:07:33 right 01:07:39 its more work then most, but i like it 01:08:23 yeah. i'm pretty suprised at the amount of eagle scouts at work. I think all of the founders of my company are eagles 01:08:25 geist: could ya send me source? 01:08:29 that kind of blew me away 01:08:35 yah 01:08:44 nate37: dont have a java interpreter. must be someone else 01:08:47 guy a got a monitor from at lug meeting 01:08:47 heh 01:08:48 must be 01:08:53 oh well 01:08:59 guy i even 01:09:03 he is an eagle scout 01:09:07 i bet more ppl at the lug meeting are 01:09:45 and man I can camp like nobodys business. picked up a lot of leadership skillz since I was the senior patrol leader for seemed like 2 years 01:10:05 our troop was very organized and the leadership heirarchy was used bigtime 01:10:15 LDS? 01:10:27 heh yeah 01:10:30 the scoutmasters didn't do crap at campouts 01:10:32 eagle is shit 01:10:43 working as a counselor at chawanakee and being spl both really improved leadership 01:10:43 me LDS? no 01:10:58 geist: how big was troop 01:11:01 serving in this fine countries military is much better 01:11:05 we have about 30 to 40 active scouts in my troop 01:11:15 air: factory worker 01:11:18 ummm, about 25 active at any one time I think 01:11:25 factory worker? 01:11:29 usually 3 or 4 patrols 01:11:54 we camped out like crazy. at least once a month for at least a night 01:11:58 i was platoon leader 01:11:59 we don't have too strong leadership, however it is scout run currently, only scouts taught at the troop JLT etc 01:12:10 er squad not platoon 01:12:22 geist: we are at least 1 campout a month 01:12:24 sometimes 2 01:12:30 5 patrols 01:12:30 probably 4 winter camps, 5 summer camps 01:12:36 ah 01:12:45 I had way more merit badges then I needed for eagle 01:13:03 we only have ski trip for winter anything 01:13:20 we go to 3 summer camps tho (1 high adventure) 01:13:24 geist: how many? 01:13:28 we were very near camp strake in Conroe, TX, which did a winter camp 01:13:44 nate37: dont remember, I do remember having too many, but I can't tell you the number 01:13:44 heard of philmont or chawanakee or emerald bay? 01:13:53 heh 01:13:55 man, that was 10 years go.. shoot 01:13:58 heh 01:14:06 I always wanted to go to philmont but never did 01:14:15 i have 35 currently, not expecting to get anymore really 01:14:22 I guess I burned out at 16-17 01:14:28 philmont is great 01:14:32 12-day backpacking trip 01:14:39 its nice 01:14:52 the summer/winter camps is what did it. you would usually get 5-6 per trip since it was a week and they taught classes 01:14:53 i might go next year again if i don't get job at chawanakee 01:15:23 it was somthing like 55 or just a lot. after a while it started to be hard to find new badges to get 01:15:30 geist: that is similar to what we do, we usually go to emerald bay (on an island near california) or chawanakee (northern california) every summer 01:15:35 55 damn 01:15:49 35 looks big on sash heh 01:15:49 but I may be talking out my ass with that number. I should look one day though 01:16:01 55 would be looping around nearly 01:16:03 I do know they started wrapping around 01:16:08 ahh 01:16:12 then yea 55 sounds right 01:16:19 cool 01:16:24 yeah it was a lot of fun 01:16:51 I wasn't so much into the politics of doing the eagle but liked to camp and get merit badges 01:16:57 yeah 01:17:05 working at a summer camp is fun 01:17:05 did the whole order of the arrow thing, did the COPE thing, was a lot of fun 01:17:14 never worked at a camp, always wanted to 01:17:22 pay isn't too bad, you get room and board (including electricty) included 01:17:30 weekends are NIE 01:17:31 NICE 01:17:36 when no troops are there 01:17:43 * geist wants to go camping now 01:17:51 you have the whole camp to yourself, go out kayaking or mountain biking whenever you want 01:17:58 or just walk around for hours without seeing anybody 01:18:02 mmmm kayaking 01:18:12 except maybe maintaince crew 01:18:21 you can go eat whatever you wanan fix in kitchen 01:18:22 fun 01:18:23 one of these days I'll get tired of the city crap and move back to TX. I am starting to miss the outdoors 01:18:30 or just go into the city and hang at somebodys house 01:18:51 grew up in a rural area and never really appreciated it. I guess you just dont appreciate what you have 01:19:22 * geist has only been out here in CA for a year or so and is already getting a little tired of it 01:19:30 what area of ca? 01:19:44 Silicon Valley. I'm in an apartment in Palo Alto 01:19:51 dah 01:19:57 i'm in irvine, orange county 01:20:07 but San Francisco is a kick ass city. nightlife is awesome 01:20:29 * geist looks up irvine 01:20:40 about an hour south of la 01:20:45 between la and sandeigo 01:21:17 yep, sure is 01:21:27 pretty warm down there? 01:21:44 as in? 01:21:45 not really 01:22:00 anything is better than Houston 01:22:03 heh 01:22:29 fresno/clovis area (near chawanakee) got damn hot a few months ago 01:22:39 the ocean is probably warmer down there do. can you get in it or is it still too cold? 01:22:55 dunno, don't hang around beach often 01:23:02 warmer i think tho 01:23:13 from somebody else i know kinda that does hang around on beach 01:23:25 it's too cold up here. I like hanging out on the beach but you have to have a wetsuit to get in 01:23:36 heh 01:23:48 my sister lives up in seattle and it'll just kill you in like 5 minutes there 01:23:50 done any white water rafting in kings river area? 01:23:55 heh 01:23:56 nope 01:24:08 any white water rafting at all? 01:24:20 nope, didn't have any white water in TX 01:24:28 I do want to try it though 01:24:36 heh 01:24:49 i've been on kings river twice 01:24:51 isn't bad 01:25:06 heck, the first time I saw snow at all was a few years ago for a spring break when we drove to colorado from texas. it was crazy 01:25:32 all I saw was tx things 01:25:44 like poisonous snakes and killer bees 01:26:17 i didn't see snow until i was about 10 01:26:57 * geist cant wait for ski season to start again 01:28:02 * geist wishes his mouse wouldn't freeze up a lot like it has been doing lately 01:28:11 heh 01:28:14 air: air? 01:28:27 what 01:28:33 must be some win2k problem that just started showing up. I did hook it up differently 01:28:46 geist: dead batteries? 01:28:54 usb 01:29:12 air: wanted to see if you fell asleep or something heh 01:29:21 working on crush 01:29:27 cool 01:29:42 damnit, I need to start staying away from this channel 01:29:43 i figure i'd get one day of work done this month 01:30:07 I should have finished the new fs layer by now. a lot of people are waiting on me 01:30:15 subl $8,%esp 01:30:16 addl $-12,%esp 01:30:19 haha 01:30:23 why does c generate that 01:30:27 geist: thinks of his comps as ppl 01:30:33 no : 01:30:34 instead of just subl $20 01:31:05 nate37: is how gcc works 01:31:26 air: naw, these guys trying to redo beos for the openbeos project are using my kernel. it's a silly idea but their problem, but I would like to support anyone who wants to use my kernel. 01:31:27 crank up the O factor and it might get rid of that 01:31:44 plus there's a guy redoing the ide driver which is affected by the fs redo 01:32:35 which is super cause I'm going to do the paging backing store for my vm soon and I need a device to write to 01:32:44 this embedded httpd article in ddj is making me wanna make a small httpd server with perhaps a java interpretter 01:32:50 or python 01:32:59 doing a tcpip stack is fun. 01:33:22 ya tcpip is fun, write one for me nate :) 01:33:36 i need to 01:34:21 I've been putting that off. at one point I was all gung-ho about it and wrote a network driver for a realtek 8139 net card and starting parsing packets then realized my design was horribly flawed and put it on the back burner 01:34:22 i want to help with brix/crush too once i actually finish my current work 01:34:37 geist: heh 01:35:10 but I've done a bunch of research and think I can do a pretty efficient tcpip stack but other things are more important now 01:35:31 i want to finish crush and so i can start writing drivers and apps 01:35:37 and with a OO interface I thought of while taking a shower this morn, I may redo quite a bit of stuff 01:35:45 those are the kewl things to code 01:36:39 mmm, kewl things 01:37:35 and writing code in crush is the ultimate experience 01:37:42 cool 01:37:49 I'm pretty interested in the final thing 01:37:51 all the perfect features in one language 01:37:53 that i made 01:38:03 u wont get the same experience 01:38:21 is this because I'm apparently too stupid as you stated before? 01:38:26 u need to write yer own language 01:38:32 oh I see 01:38:37 so crush is for you only? 01:38:46 writing code with yer very own language kicks ass 01:38:55 yeah, that's true 01:39:31 thats one of those projects I'm semi-interested in, but behind a lot of other things 01:40:24 well i would never have written my own language if it wasnt a major part of my os 01:41:16 I've been thinking of merging all of the os objects into a single heirarchal namespace. not a new idea, NT does it. But it simplifies the api. Then, I'd give non-kernel code the ability to publish nodes in this namespace 01:41:52 the nodes can expose properties which can be monitored for reading or writing or creation for essentially RPC calls 01:42:06 --- nick: corsairk8|sleep -> corsairk8 01:42:14 also, you can layer nodes over other ones and for example pass some calls and catch others 01:42:33 thus, many of the nodes can simply represent objects 01:42:36 --- quit: corsairk8 (Ill be back laterz (not)) 01:42:47 --- join: CorsairK8 (CorsairK8@pc-62-30-121-37-cr.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #osdev 01:42:52 that you can manipulate, or services, or data ports, or whatever you want 01:43:02 the filsystems will be mapped into this namespace as well 01:43:22 so all if you system calls are manipulations of nodes 01:43:46 such as creating a node of type thread in your process tree of nodes 01:43:52 i prefer methods over syscalls 01:43:57 same thing 01:44:05 movl %eax,%eax 01:44:05 my methods 01:44:09 why does it do that? 01:44:12 they are methods, which may or may not be a syscall 01:44:16 nate37: no idea 01:44:21 i ignored it 01:44:25 or it may be a RPC to another process or thread or computer for that matter 01:44:48 geist: syscalls are part of a kernel 01:44:48 nate37: does the movl set flags? 01:45:01 sure, but it doesn't matter to the end user 01:45:07 my methods sit next to what u would consider userland code 01:45:22 it would actually be a syscall underneath the hood, if you are in userland 01:45:39 syscalls go thru a protection barrier or some kinda of dispatch 01:45:40 and in fact you may optimize to know if the node you are talking to is part of the same process 01:45:51 geist: that is only thing i can think of, but in the context tere are no flag testing 01:46:09 if system and user methods are all in teh same binary its a direct single instruction call 01:46:13 hahah for an int it takes 24 bytes in stack 01:46:15 nice thing about all of that, going through a syscall, is you can set ACLs on each node and the system can verify them, a la NT 01:46:16 for one int 01:46:40 air: I'm not going to do SAS, that's all there is to it 01:46:51 :) 01:47:13 anyway, this was similar to a system that was built at Be after R5, but not quite to this scale 01:47:24 their system didn't integrate into the OS such that OS objects were mapped to it 01:47:44 i think sas+sl is the way of the future 01:47:53 --- quit: CorsairK8 (Ill be back laterz (not)) 01:47:54 but it completely changed the way the system integrated with itself and created some very flexible OO designs 01:47:58 --- join: CorsairK8 (CorsairK8@pc-62-30-121-37-cr.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #osdev 01:48:07 --- quit: CorsairK8 (Read error to CorsairK8[pc-62-30-121-37-cr.blueyonder.co.uk]: EOF from client) 01:48:11 --- join: CorsairK8 (CorsairK8@pc-62-30-121-37-cr.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #osdev 01:48:24 it pretty much removed the contraints of MAS but allowed for protection of object domains 01:48:46 the tricky stuff was in cleaning up crashes of threads that held objects and whatnot 01:49:46 nate37: yer eagle project is to contaminate the park? 01:49:50 anyway, what i'm thinking isn't that revolutionary, but it does take the OO design of the arcticle posted a few days ago a bit further in allowing arbitrary threads to publish into the name space 01:50:00 with glowing green ooze 01:50:04 which is the design I saw at work 01:50:07 air: ? its a nature center 01:50:16 so they should have a garden :P 01:50:38 ooze does not qualify as a garden 01:50:52 the plutonium garden, now open 01:51:10 heh 01:51:16 trouble is doing this design and keeping the speed. you can do it all sorts of slowly, but doing it quickly is hard. that was a lot of the crazyness in the design at work 01:51:18 geist: how does it remove mas 01:51:30 you dont care where the nodes are 01:52:04 so 01:52:08 u still have the barriers 01:52:12 so it doesn't matter if it's SAS or MAS 01:52:19 you just talk to nodes 01:52:26 and they may be somewhere 01:52:26 not caring only makes them worse 01:52:39 'them'? 01:52:55 the barriers 01:52:59 okay 01:53:06 I dont see it 01:53:25 if the object is not in yer address space u must cross a barrier 01:53:30 sure 01:53:38 if u map the object into yer address space it loses protection 01:53:46 okay 01:54:02 but you dont map it into your address space 01:54:07 you just talk to it 01:54:10 right 01:54:18 night 01:54:19 over the barriers 01:54:22 sure 01:54:25 nate37: night 01:54:40 that slows down the code 01:54:44 probably 01:54:57 I dont mind that 01:55:15 there are a lot of optimizations to do which would minimize that 01:55:34 name one 01:55:59 and furthermore you wouldn't use this design to build a radical new object to object OS necessarilly 01:56:15 it's more of a flexible IPC mechanism 01:56:33 optimization: shared memory area to communicate large chunks of data 01:56:33 i dunno 01:56:44 uhh 01:56:49 shared mem is nothing new 01:56:54 correct 01:57:12 I'm not trying to throw away a lot of ideas, I'm just putting old ones together in a different way 01:57:20 it helps that I've seen a bit of this design already working 01:57:46 but shm doesnt offer fine grained protection 01:57:57 for example, you can talk to the windowing manager/renderer through this 01:58:11 each window can have an object, or maybe a little less aggressive stance 01:58:21 you can transmit bitmaps via a shared chunk of memory 01:58:43 and to transmit u go thru a barrier 01:59:00 you can do other optimizations like make batched transactions 01:59:10 correct 01:59:20 I dont forsee the barrier as that big of a deal 01:59:25 i do 01:59:42 there are intellegent things you can do to minimize that, and the protection you get is well worth it, IMO 02:00:10 designing your own language is one track to remove the need for protection, and that's an admirable goal 02:00:14 but it's not mine 02:00:18 the protection i get with sl is many times more than what hardware offers 02:00:51 my argument is the inefficiency you add with sl may or may not make up for the gain in safety 02:01:01 time will tell on that 02:01:07 many people' 02:01:09 sure it will 02:01:25 many people's argument is that cpus are damn fast nowadays and overhead isn't that big of a deal 02:01:34 as the core proves itself to be stable i can remove protection added by the language 02:01:43 and the core speeds up 02:01:57 right 02:02:18 I still argue that design isn't suitable for all situations, but that can be done for many things 02:02:21 and as core components of apps improve those to can receive a speed boost 02:02:55 then u have an os and major apps with no sl protection in a sas 02:03:07 well, that I definitely have problems with 02:03:16 why? 02:03:17 I can see the os having protection removed 02:03:35 but proving that an app is stable to remove the protection is pretty much impossible for large apps 02:03:39 protection is removed on a per method basis 02:03:52 hmmm, 02:03:53 brix doesnt have apps 02:03:57 that's true 02:04:15 well, anyway, it's an interesting design 02:04:26 it's nice to see we are having a better discussion of this than last time 02:04:35 last time? 02:04:39 first time 02:04:43 first time? 02:04:58 when you essentially told me I was too stupid to understand you because I never programmed forth 02:05:05 ah 02:05:07 which pushed a lot of my buttons 02:05:19 then I argued which is stupid 02:05:25 heh 02:05:34 I once saw this picture on memepool 02:05:52 that shows a retarded kid in the special olympics running at the camera 02:06:09 borg.qzx.com/arguing.jpg 02:06:28 and the motto was 'arguing on the internet is like running in the special olymipcs, you may will but you're still retarded' 02:06:45 borg.qzx.com/arguing.jpg 02:06:52 yep 02:07:14 damn that is funny 02:07:19 yup 02:07:19 in a sick kind of way 02:07:27 and totally applicable 02:08:31 every time I get mad at something on the internet, which is actually pretty rare, I'm a pretty easy going guy, I think of that picture 02:09:05 well, I should go the hell asleep 02:09:10 nitey nte 02:09:12 cya 02:09:14 er nite even 02:09:17 --- quit: geist () 04:13:25 --- join: jukka (jukka@MMCLXXIX.hdyn.saunalahti.fi) joined #osdev 05:30:32 --- quit: torquil (Ping timeout for torquil[c1s12m11.access.ntelos.net]) 05:35:00 --- join: torquil (mac@c3s3m28.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 05:36:33 mbwuahaha 05:36:53 hahauewhat 05:37:24 just to let you know im awake ;) 05:40:17 --- quit: jukka (..) 05:42:14 --- join: bpj (bpj@64.213.166.21) joined #osdev 06:02:35 --- quit: torquil (Ping timeout for torquil[c3s3m28.access.ntelos.net]) 06:05:07 --- join: nyef (nyef@1Cust111.tnt33.bos2.da.uu.net) joined #osdev 06:05:09 Hello all. 06:07:44 --- join: torquil (mac@c2s6m48.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 06:23:41 --- join: rhesus (Godless@CPE-203-45-145-67.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined #osdev 06:30:58 * rhesus belches. 06:31:40 * bpj gets disturbed 06:31:58 no belching in here! 06:32:09 My sincere apologies. 06:32:12 * rhesus coughs. 06:32:19 :) 06:36:04 --- join: Aardappel (wvo96r@ipd54b5cab.free.wxs.nl) joined #osdev 06:38:04 unix sux.. 06:38:16 * rhesus eyes bpj. 06:39:09 * bpj lol 06:45:13 * rhesus begins singing off-key at the top of his lungs for no apparent reason. 06:47:37 no one can take that away from me.. hehe 06:48:40 what a morbid thought.. 06:49:40 Hmm? 06:50:50 you know, like fearing being robbed of material possesions 06:52:03 My shit diluter seemsto be malfunctioning... 06:52:07 * rhesus beats it with a stick. 06:53:02 beat it.. 06:53:15 * rhesus chuckles. 06:53:23 Only messing with you, dear. 06:53:51 the correct response is "maybe later" 06:54:00 My mistake. 06:54:14 * rhesus jots down note. 06:55:50 the way you changed my life!.. no no one can take that away from me.. (unless they give you shock treatment) 06:56:09 Shock treatment rawks. 06:56:29 because of the materialist approach 06:56:41 mind = soul = brain 06:57:26 yet when they see a city, they say it is not a mind, and it has no soul 06:57:56 Well aren't they in need of a royal spnaking? 06:58:28 you're they.. aren't you? 06:58:32 I like pie. Do you like pie, bpj? 06:58:37 Only on Sundays. 06:59:03 i don't see what pie has to do with it.. 06:59:11 PI maybe.. 06:59:23 Maybe you're not looking hard enough. 06:59:33 Or maybe you are, but your glasses are filthy. 07:00:06 maybe my ears are waxy.. 07:00:13 There's always that. 07:00:45 yeah.. 07:01:14 * rhesus snorts. 07:01:33 please, just don't start farting up in here.. 07:01:44 I save that for Sundays. 07:01:55 * rhesus wonders what day it is. 07:02:20 Seems you are safe, for the moment. 07:03:30 aroma terrorist! is that right? 07:03:52 As I previously stated, only on Sundays. 07:04:13 Though if you continue to press the point, I could change my schedule around. 07:04:17 * rhesus eyes. 07:07:12 You avoied the question, anyway. Do you like pie!? 07:07:46 * rhesus refrains from correcting typos, though expends more energy typing this than it would to type the correction. 07:08:12 I like pie a lot. 07:08:31 home made pie or mcdonald's? 07:08:48 In fact, the next useless application I write I will name pie, regardless of function. 07:08:55 Home made pie. 07:09:21 it's ok.. 07:09:30 * rhesus pets a little. 07:10:43 mcdonal's pie is deepfried.. 07:11:26 yummy.. 07:12:19 Fat rawks. 07:12:26 RAWKS I TELL YOU. 07:12:30 do you like crapes? 07:12:38 hehe.. 07:12:46 Nope. 07:12:58 awww.. 07:15:20 that's ok.. 07:21:18 --- join: Avenger (dev@49-060.tr.cgocable.ca) joined #osdev 07:52:28 --- quit: Avenger (cya later) 07:54:13 --- join: curbster (23623@ncdial1-38-2-nc.nordcom.net) joined #osdev 07:54:16 hi 07:58:26 --- nick: nyef -> nyef_away 08:10:01 --- log: started osdev/01.10.19 08:10:01 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #osdev 08:10:01 --- topic: 'Operating System DEVelopment || osdev help www.qzx.com/lib' 08:10:01 --- topic: set by air on [Thu Oct 18 18:55:39 2001] 08:10:01 --- names: list (clog lar1 curbster Aardappel rhesus torquil nyef_away bpj CorsairK8 gab trans notten geistworking gREMLiNs jemna air nate37) 08:10:26 --- quit: torquil (Ping timeout for torquil[c2s6m48.access.ntelos.net]) 08:15:57 --- join: torquil (mac@c3s1m17.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 08:17:06 --- nick: nyef_away -> nyef 08:59:25 --- quit: nate37 (Ping timeout for nate37[cx83983-d.irvn1.occa.home.com]) 08:59:25 --- quit: air (Ping timeout for air[c1715849-a.saltlk1.ut.home.com]) 08:59:27 --- join: nate37 (nate@cx83983-d.irvn1.occa.home.com) joined #osdev 09:32:42 --- quit: torquil (Ping timeout for torquil[c3s1m17.access.ntelos.net]) 09:40:55 --- join: torquil (mac@c2s5m16.access.ntelos.net) joined #osdev 09:42:35 and so was written in a book of rage 09:43:02 * rhesus eyes gREMLiNs. 09:43:05 --- quit: gab (leaving) 09:43:06 Do you like pie? 09:43:19 o yeaah 09:43:21 you? 09:43:41 Yeah. 09:43:44 Pie rawks. 09:43:53 what are rawks? 09:43:59 Like.. rocks++ 09:44:07 rawks|el8 09:44:12 Or something. 09:44:28 oh 09:46:19 rhesus, i guess no one understands your leet-slang ;) 09:46:40 It's not leet. 09:46:45 It's haxj0r r33t! 09:46:54 ph33r 4nD 5tuFf 09:46:55 curbster: but its a fucking pie!!!!!! 09:47:00 * rhesus snickers quietly. 09:47:51 rhesus: i just woke up are you trying to joke with me or? 09:48:11 That has yet to be determined. 09:48:40 --- join: core1 (heh@p71-tnt1.brs.ihug.com.au) joined #osdev 09:48:47 Pie rawks. 09:48:49 HYE CORE1 09:48:50 Do you guys like pie? 09:48:52 Yes. Yes it does. 09:49:01 Core likes pie too! 09:49:12 we all like pie 09:49:22 * core1 pets 09:49:24 We rawk. 09:49:25 Do you like cake? 09:49:36 Only on Sundays. 09:49:44 Heh 09:50:02 I like cake 24/7. 09:50:05 I ate cake. 09:50:30 Did you then proceed to powerhurl? 09:50:48 YES 09:50:53 * rhesus nods. 09:50:55 I think that might of been the pigs blood I drank but. 09:50:57 I'm not sure. 09:50:59 Tends to have that affect on me. 09:51:03 Pigs blood rawks too. 09:51:23 No. Pigs blood doesn't rawk. Not even on Sundays. 09:51:24 Do you mind if I molest you? 09:51:30 Maybe on Sunday. 09:51:36 Oh. 09:51:42 Damn, its only Saturday. 09:52:30 * rhesus scratches. 09:54:53 Wanna rawk some plastic? 09:55:14 * rhesus rawks teh plastic. 10:00:46 * rhesus beats curbster to near death with a 14" monitor. 10:01:11 i already slaped you around, you can't do that after i have slapped you! 10:01:17 you phaker 10:01:22 Sure I can. In fact, I just did. 10:01:29 phaker. heh. 10:01:46 nah, you just /wrote/ it, but not /did/ it 10:02:16 Don't get pedantic with me or I'll cram a large blunt object up your urethra :) 10:02:36 not funny 10:02:45 * rhesus thought it was. 10:02:50 * rhesus snickers quietly. 10:03:28 * core1 pulls out a log of the last time he was pedantic 10:03:56 <@rhesus> DOn't get pedantic or I'll staple your testicles to a car tire, Damien. 10:03:56 <@core> Yes dear 10:03:56 * @rhesus pets. 10:03:56 <@core> That could actually be fun. 10:03:56 <@core> The balls on the core go round and round 10:03:57 <@core> alll day long 10:03:59 Fear. 10:04:15 ahuehe. 10:05:04 yeah, you two are a great crew, now we know it... 10:05:21 * core1 nods 10:05:25 Would you like to lick my testicles? 10:05:32 die. 10:05:33 * core1 has great rectangular testicles 10:05:38 Aww. Cute. 10:05:51 * core1 thinks the urethra idea would be appropriate 10:05:54 * rhesus snickers. 10:06:31 --- quit: Aardappel (http://wouter.fov120.com/) 10:13:49 --- join: gab (prfalken@gaia.chx-labs.org) joined #osdev 10:35:31 Later curbster, Dont forget to try the blunt object idea. 10:35:33 * core1 snickers 10:35:35 --- quit: core1 (Just as I shall select when I am about to go on a voyage, or a house when i propose to buy it, I choose my death when I am ready to depart life -Anon) 10:40:49 * rhesus is away: (sleep!) 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Shouldn't you?) 11:50:13 --- quit: Avenger (cya later) 12:21:10 --- join: notten (root@cc633109-a.union1.nj.home.com) joined #osdev 12:26:58 --- join: morton (pathic@11-153.002.popsite.net) joined #osdev 12:29:11 Do I have to reset the IDT after I switch on the mmu? 12:40:49 --- quit: bpj () 12:41:26 --- quit: nate37 (Ping timeout for nate37[cx83983-d.irvn1.occa.home.com]) 12:41:27 --- join: nate37 (nate@cx83983-d.irvn1.occa.home.com) joined #osdev 12:46:25 --- quit: morton (Ping timeout for morton[11-153.002.popsite.net]) 12:52:00 --- join: morton (pathic@04-162.002.popsite.net) joined #osdev 13:06:25 --- quit: nate37 (Ping timeout for nate37[cx83983-d.irvn1.occa.home.com]) 13:08:56 --- join: nate37_ (nate@cx83983-d.irvn1.occa.home.com) joined #osdev 13:10:46 --- join: curbster (23623@ncdial2-151-1-nc.nordcom.net) joined #osdev 13:15:21 block rocking beats 13:25:42 --- join: alterego (alterego@bespin.org) joined #osdev 13:26:36 --- join: air (brand@c1715849-a.saltlk1.ut.home.com) joined #osdev 13:28:43 --- quit: trans (farmer.openprojects.net carter.openprojects.net) 13:28:43 --- quit: geistworking (farmer.openprojects.net carter.openprojects.net) 13:28:43 --- quit: CorsairK8 (farmer.openprojects.net forward.openprojects.net) 13:28:44 --- quit: curbster (farmer.openprojects.net forward.openprojects.net) 13:28:44 --- quit: rhesus[sleep] (farmer.openprojects.net forward.openprojects.net) 13:29:09 --- join: rhesus[sleep] (Godless@CPE-203-45-145-67.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined #osdev 13:29:09 --- join: curbster (23623@ncdial2-151-1-nc.nordcom.net) joined #osdev 13:29:09 --- join: geistworking (geist@wall.danger.com) joined #osdev 13:29:31 --- join: CorsairK8 (CorsairK8@pc-62-30-121-37-cr.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #osdev 13:30:24 --- quit: alterego (BitchX: its not your ordinary stick of gum) 13:33:05 --- join: ink (ink@user-vcauua4.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #osdev 13:33:05 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o ink 13:33:38 re 13:39:52 omg 13:40:02 hm? 13:40:06 recently made vulnerabilities in teh linux kernel?!? 13:40:12 GAH 13:40:35 why are they worried about local root anyway, they don't give accounts on these irc servers, do they? 13:42:29 yup 13:42:33 hehehe 13:42:44 well 13:42:46 some do 13:44:30 which kernel does this affect? 13:45:05 2.2.x - 2.4.10 iirc 13:45:12 2.4.12 is patched 13:45:18 don't remember exactly though 13:45:27 I thikn it is newer than 2.2.x 13:45:34 check slashdot =P 13:46:14 12 is fixed or 12+patch fixes it? 13:46:18 oh 13:47:39 12 is fixed iirc 13:47:55 this is why i hate modern oses 13:47:57 lar tried to haxx0r my g1bs0n but failed 13:48:07 running 2.2.19 13:48:27 they can be version 100.x and they will always have holes in them 13:48:51 * ink ponders suspending lar's acct on coiley due to malicious activity 13:50:22 this is why i dont give out accounts 13:50:33 it doesnt matter how much i do to secure my box 13:50:48 there are always a handful of holes waiting to be discovered 13:50:50 brb - food 13:58:38 hhahaa 13:58:51 when brix is up to 1.0 it will have 234235897908 vulnerablities in it 13:58:55 object overflows 13:58:57 etc 13:59:05 2.4.10 is not affected by the remote root exploit 13:59:14 morton: cant 13:59:17 remoet root exploit?!? 13:59:19 WHAT? 13:59:19 morton: not possible 13:59:22 there's a remote exploit too? 13:59:27 er 13:59:31 s/remote/local/ 13:59:33 oh 13:59:35 thank god 13:59:38 morton: did that scare u? 13:59:41 yes 13:59:46 that would suck 13:59:51 no doubt 14:00:07 btw i saw that sloth beat the badc0ded contest 14:00:19 adn some guy named "g00ber" got past level8 second 14:00:26 weird cuz i didn't see his name in any of the other levels 14:00:42 and the only people logging in at the end at level >6 were nate and sloth 14:00:51 >5 i mean 14:04:50 heh 14:05:04 someone got to level4 first but didnt leave a name on any pages 14:05:05 morton: i saw him around 14:05:19 there were ips that didn't match up with how many put their name in 14:05:36 air: btw how i got to level 6.. 14:05:59 nate37_: every time i was on i saw only your ip and sloth's ip 14:06:06 maybe he logged on at different times, i guess 14:06:15 nate37_: did you get past level6 at all? 14:06:16 first i did a script that went (echo ""; ./exploit ; echo; cat) | nc hack.datafort.net 2001 14:06:25 --- nick: nate37_ -> nate37 14:06:30 did you get to l7? 14:06:53 AHhaha, LevelSeven ;p 14:07:15 no he hasnt 14:07:28 air: and then what i gave ./exploit was different offsets from the stack base on bsd (bfbff000) 14:07:51 air: did that in about 250 byte increments until i got a shell 14:08:02 morton: no, i decided not to go anymore cause was taking too much time and no prize 14:08:18 air: why would interrupts fuck up when I enable the MMU? I think it's the keyboard driver specifically. 14:08:34 and jeri ryan wouldnt let him into her pants so no level7 for nate :) 14:08:35 morton: i knew how to do level7, the basic idea at least (format bug) 14:09:02 LevelSeven used to be a hacker crew ;p 14:09:19 uh 14:09:27 notten are you a hax0r? :P 14:09:39 notten: they shouldnt 14:09:43 morton: Heh, naw man, that's illegal! ;p 14:09:44 morton: no he is not 14:09:56 hrm, i wonder if g00ber or sloth will get any of the prizes 14:10:00 air: It seems that my keyboard "driver" is doing the trick. 14:10:05 a nice new laptop... mmmm 14:10:18 morton: nope, since nobody could pick them up when the expo ended 14:10:31 morton: dim nor devine made up the rules 14:10:44 so i am guessing the person that came up with that "no ship" rule got the laptop :) 14:11:18 or there wasn't any laptop because the only person at the expo that go to a level was like level 1 14:11:20 lol! 14:11:28 what a shame 14:11:33 yah 14:14:06 i still did pretty well i think 14:14:18 --- quit: curbster () 14:18:39 hmm 14:18:58 does the sssca just make computers sold with free oses illegal 14:19:04 air, i'll bet you $3000 that when brix is released it will have at least one vulnerability in it 14:19:07 or does it make the os itself illegal 14:19:16 morton: nope 14:20:05 is there any root-like account in brix? 14:20:17 sorta 14:20:42 there is an admin user account 14:20:43 "BRiX Administrator" 14:20:46 heh 14:20:48 but it isnt special 14:20:49 aka "air" 14:21:01 heh 14:21:25 the the admin account just has references to everything 14:21:46 but first u need access to the admin's store mananger object 14:22:06 even user code cant get access to user's store manangers 14:23:15 --- join: ebh (ebh@24.11.232.226) joined #osdev 14:23:26 the only way to get access is to have crush ask the user for access 14:23:46 so if an idiot user answers yes then he just handed over the keys to all his objects 14:24:25 by default only the search engine has access 14:24:39 and crush of course 14:25:01 search engine eh? 14:25:03 notten: figure out the interrupt problem after mmu? 14:25:07 sounds like a security risk to me 14:25:09 heh 14:25:14 brix uses a search engine instead of file manager 14:26:22 the entire search engine has the functionality of a file manager? 14:26:27 type in "device" and u see all yer drivers. type in "scsi device" and u see all yer scsi drivers 14:26:55 "pictures" u get all yer pictures "redhead pictures" u get all porn with redheads 14:27:28 lol 14:27:47 its much better than a file manager 14:28:39 bah, nothing is better than File Explorer! 14:28:39 and i can tell u every object that has a reference to any object 14:28:48 and it 14:29:07 air: why would my keyboard handler fuck up in MMU mode when addressing is 1:1? 14:29:14 and u cant delete an object if it has objects referencing it 14:29:27 notten: dunno 14:30:04 notten: if i had the code i might be able to find it 14:30:30 or if u debugged the code u could find it 14:30:52 fill yer keyboard code with print calls 14:31:05 create a function that maintains a cursor 14:31:11 call it with a letter to print 14:31:31 notten: how does it fuck up? 14:31:34 --- nick: geistworking -> geist 14:32:14 it starts printing letters with different attributes at the current location then after it does that a few hundred times it prints them a few spaces ahead and then just crashes vmware ;p 14:32:25 hmmm 14:32:32 spread the calls out in the driver and when u locate the crash spot fill it with calls to pinpoint the crash 14:32:53 so it works? 14:33:00 it just breaks after a while? 14:33:03 No. 14:33:10 It prints random characters for a while 14:33:16 with random attributes 14:33:32 but it doesnt crash the first time u press a key? 14:33:48 I'm testing that right now. 14:38:44 It crashed when I did hit a key. Lets see if I let it idle. 14:40:35 Would inport() or outport() piss off the computer when the mmu is enabled? 14:40:50 Yep, when a key is hit. 14:41:17 air: how do i save a user mode in bitchx again? 14:44:02 if i was making an IRC client that was the polar opposite of everything air/airc stand for, should i write it in C or C++? 14:44:40 C++ ;p 14:44:45 C++ is gay ;p 14:44:58 Soon you will all be using D, notten/OS's version of C with enhancements. 14:46:44 * geist gets to work and cuts down on this irc thang 14:46:49 --- quit: geist (outta here) 14:47:47 morton: C++ 14:48:12 D, as opposed to popular belief, is not intended as a successor to C, but the first letter of the name Daryl which is a key in notten/OS's naming infrastructure ;p 14:49:37 air: what's wrong with doing this when mmu is enabled: 14:49:43 "keyb_ISR: \n" 14:49:53 " pusha \n" 14:49:54 notten: D already exists 14:49:58 " pushw %ds \n" 14:50:02 " pushw %es \n" 14:50:06 " pushw %ss \n" 14:50:09 " pushw %ss \n" 14:50:15 " popw %ds \n" 14:50:18 " popw %es \n" 14:50:32 " call keyboard \n" 14:50:38 http://www.digitalmars.com/d/ 14:50:41 " popw %es \n" 14:50:46 " popw %ds \n" 14:50:52 " popa \n" 14:50:54 notten: yer suppose to do that in #flood 14:50:57 " iret \n" 14:51:15 air: Well what's wrong with those lines in my ISR? 14:51:52 u push ss twice? 14:52:17 Double-pasted. 14:52:34 wtf 14:52:54 for one u have more pops that pushes 14:52:54 What's wrong with what I'm doing? 14:53:25 so yer probably getting a stack exception 14:53:43 do u have exception handlers? 14:53:54 Umm, it works perfectly when the mmu is disabled. 14:54:17 i would have each handler display a message so u know what exception is generated 14:54:31 how does that work perfect 14:54:34 I do, but vmware doesn't generate an exception, it just CRASHES. 14:54:52 It just works when the mmu is disabled. It calls keyboard and keyboard does its job. 14:54:57 --- quit: ink (Read error to ink[user-vcauua4.dsl.mindspring.com]: Connection reset by peer) 14:55:00 ah 14:55:10 does yer stack exception use the stack? 14:55:23 or does it create a new stack 14:55:27 Shit, which int is stack excpetion again? 14:55:36 i think 0x12 14:55:53 right. 14:56:17 void _int12() 14:56:21 { 14:56:25 printf("int12: Stack exception\n"); 14:56:40 _end(); 14:56:41 } 14:56:53 it uses the stack 14:57:07 Yeah, that's a stupid idea, isn't it? 14:57:10 yup 14:57:20 u got stack problems so u compound them :) 14:57:31 then u get triple faults 14:57:46 but regardless, why does the keyboard thing fuck up with mmu enabled but doesn't with mmu disabled. 14:58:01 dunno 14:58:07 but that code is flawed 14:58:08 I have 1 minute and then I have to go. 14:58:21 Shit, thanks for all your help, be back at 9:30, peace! 14:58:26 btw, why do use so much code for handlers? 14:58:40 cya 14:58:47 What do you mean so much code? 14:59:27 u save the stack for each one? 14:59:41 why not have dispatch code 15:00:04 Umm, damn, dunno, I'll come back at 9:30, I have to do a practice SAT, I got PSATs tomorrow. ;p 15:00:13 its like 2 cycles slower but saves a shitload of code 15:00:27 cya 15:00:49 laters dude. thanks for the help ;p 15:04:16 what's a good way to use an old computer as a test machine for an OS imaeg? 15:04:18 image 15:04:24 i don't want to use bochs or something like that 15:04:36 i have an old 486 i want to test on but i make frequent recompiles 15:06:12 two hdds with a networked OS on one 15:06:53 write a script that ftps the image over to the 486 and then have the 486 copy it to the second hdd 15:07:38 i find floppy copy to be easier tho 15:07:55 you can use a diskless OS with an nfs root 15:08:16 floppy copy is tedious 15:08:19 gab: either way u have to reboot some os 15:08:38 floppy copy is faster than rebooting a network os 15:09:02 um 15:14:15 hmm 15:14:46 i think i should pass exception handler lambdas to methods instead of processing them in the calling method 15:15:23 it would take up less code space 15:15:55 but it will take a tad longer to run the method cuz it pushes extra inputs 15:20:02 it's not worth it 15:20:11 speed is crucial (tm) 15:20:28 well actually 15:20:42 i dont think it will be slower 15:20:54 that sounds pretty hackish 15:21:02 because normally when a method throws an exception it would have to push a value to the stack and set CF 15:21:04 i'd always go with the cleaner, more elegant solution 15:21:11 and the calling method would have to test CF 15:21:29 thats 3 cycles right there 15:21:52 so i could pass atleast 3 excpetions before it becomes a slowdown 15:22:49 so are lambdas going to be used heavily in brix? 15:22:55 yup 15:23:16 (if (> a b) {do this} {else this}) 15:23:21 the {} are lambdas 15:23:25 hrm 15:23:41 another thing you picked up from TUNES? :P 15:23:49 eh? 15:24:32 i got lambdas from lisp 15:27:47 yup from lisp 15:28:18 morton: python has lambdas too 15:29:27 but does python use them like crush does? 15:29:49 like? 15:29:53 crush is a sublanguage 15:30:44 i know they are feature of those languages 15:30:50 it uses lambdas and inline-methods to built a language 15:30:51 but i thought air was first exposed to them thru tunes 15:30:55 and brian rice, etc 15:31:06 morton: nope 15:31:36 air: were you first exposed to them when i started talking about church numerals (or whatever it was called)? 15:31:38 heh 15:31:45 " wtf is the point??" 15:32:00 no 15:32:02 before 15:32:04 ah 15:32:16 there is no point to that shit tho 15:32:17 :) 15:32:24 :) 15:32:29 um 15:32:35 someone was just bored 15:32:45 lambda calculus is cool tho 15:33:01 lambda is the most useful mathematical invention in the history of mankind, by far 15:33:09 ^^^ quote of Brian Rice in #slate 15:33:10 heh 15:33:32 nasty 15:33:34 i like logs better then lambdas tho 15:33:37 something just came up 15:33:37 logs are cool 15:33:45 and it wont go back down 15:33:49 its stuck 15:33:50 uhh 15:33:54 heh 15:34:02 didnt come all the way 15:34:08 only enuf that i can taste it 15:34:12 thank you for sharing that with us 15:34:16 yer welcome 15:34:52 damn, i wonder what happened to slate 15:34:54 that was the coolest language 15:35:05 water is such a genius 15:35:23 nate37: channel logs or logarithms? 15:35:49 water is a just a sailor boy 15:35:54 logarithms 15:36:03 crush is so must better than slate 15:36:10 i feel like i can do anything with them :) 15:36:20 anything huh 15:36:29 yah :) 15:36:33 with log and 10^ 15:36:39 i can beat u with a log 15:36:50 heh 15:36:50 maybe u will wake up 15:36:56 what? 15:37:01 :) 15:37:23 t1[]->t2.equal 15:37:26 how lame 15:37:33 ? 15:37:37 (= t1 t2) is so much better 15:37:52 haskell is cool too 15:37:57 that wsa BETA 15:38:05 main = print("Hello, World!"); :) 15:38:10 err no ; i don't think 15:41:04 anybody know anything about silkscreening? 15:41:09 prices etc 15:41:23 hmm 15:41:46 no but google does 15:41:58 heh i've looked before 15:42:05 damn internet newbies :) 15:42:15 i just had some specific questions 15:42:16 just wondering 15:42:17 heh 15:42:35 65 cents 15:42:46 per bag for one color 15:42:52 :) 15:43:04 bag? 15:43:16 school bag 15:43:19 book bag 15:43:21 heh 15:43:27 what qty? 100+? heh 15:43:37 50 15:43:43 how about XL t-shirt 10+ qty 5 colors 15:44:04 here we go 15:44:15 12 15:44:16 $3.00 ea 15:44:16 $10.00 ea 15:44:16 $12.00 ea 15:44:16 $14.00ea 15:44:16 $16.00 15:44:19 ea 15:44:22 $18.00 15:44:25 ea 15:44:28 $20.00 15:44:33 oh shit 15:44:37 the html didn't have those spaces :( 15:44:44 XL? u a fat boy 15:44:54 air: that is default geek-size to sel 15:45:17 go to linworld expo and they only give off xl t-shirts 15:45:23 heh 15:45:41 16 each for 10 15:45:46 err 12 15:45:47 'hello'->screen.puttext; 15:45:56 wonder if that includes shirt 15:45:57 thats lame 15:46:08 5 color 15:46:49 i'll prolly have to initally sell the shirts for 20 to 25 dollars each :/ 15:47:11 why not use cybercafe 15:47:15 ? 15:47:23 u dont know of cybercafe? 15:47:25 no 15:47:28 hahahahaha 15:47:39 what is it? 15:48:15 er 15:48:19 actually 4 colors will do 15:48:23 cafepress 15:48:30 do fine 15:48:31 heh 15:48:35 air: waazzat? 15:48:40 dunno where i made up that other name 15:48:45 heh 15:48:54 * nate37 goes to cafepress.com 15:49:02 this could work 15:49:06 http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=brix 15:50:05 bah $223 for 25 of 4-color design 15:50:09 actually not that bad price 15:50:21 huh 15:50:34 hah 15:50:39 do you have to pay any price upfront? 15:50:47 cafepress doesnt require u to invest any money 15:50:58 do you keep rights to shirt? 15:51:01 err 15:51:02 to artwork 15:51:09 upload the images, pick the products u wanna sell and get ppl to buy 15:51:16 ya 15:51:22 kewl 15:51:38 this could work 15:51:47 how much should i sell t-shirt for? 15:51:48 and the views are low res so ppl can take yer images and make their own products 15:51:52 add a buck 15:52:08 i'll start at between 15 and 20 i think 15:52:21 cafepress has high base prices 15:52:29 i would add a buck and call it good 15:52:41 hmm 15:52:52 13.99 damn 15:53:03 ppl would pay $15 before they would pay $20 15:53:19 how much do hurley/quicksilver t-shirts cost? 15:53:20 u will sell more shirts at the lower price 15:53:23 my sister said 20 to 25 15:53:37 how tf would i know 15:53:37 they only offer white and grey t-shirt? 15:53:45 is this the shirts channel 15:54:17 well since there isn't any risk involved i guess 15 or 16 15:55:08 wanna see something kewl? 15:55:18 http://borg.qzx.com/brix/?p0=store 15:55:43 cool 15:55:48 i'll put that on my t-shirt page 15:55:56 nice little php that embeds their page in mine 15:57:00 they have anti-frame thing? 15:57:12 frames are bad 15:57:18 bad bad bad 15:57:26 heh 15:57:30 yea i know 15:57:31 hmm 15:58:38 ack 15:58:44 sobs changed their page 16:00:01 air: have they done anything like spam or well 16:00:06 yea 16:00:07 no 16:00:13 they send a newsletter each month 16:00:20 well 16:00:24 maybe not every month 16:00:33 email? 16:00:34 when they make changes 16:00:37 ya 16:00:41 u can turn it off 16:00:44 have you got a check yet? 16:00:50 when u create yer account u pick 16:00:52 --- join: df (yakumo@modem-986.banzai.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #osdev 16:00:58 i havent sold anything 16:01:02 nothing to sell 16:01:25 the only thing i have is that mousepad 16:01:25 mousepad :) 16:01:30 but it not ready 16:01:41 i guess i could sell it like that 16:02:07 anyone here know X11 really well? 16:02:12 XLib , i mean 16:02:17 think i shoudl buy a few of them and try to sell them at lug meeting? 16:03:07 haha 16:03:22 my mousepads or yer shirts? 16:03:52 heh 16:03:54 mousepads 16:04:08 i wish they had black stuff 16:04:09 "Uh, Nathaniel, What the HELL is brix? Some computer game?" 16:04:39 'hello'->screen.puttext; 16:04:42 is that crush? 16:04:46 BETA 16:05:08 heh 16:05:22 ? 16:05:24 crush would be something like (write screen "hello") 16:05:55 gay 16:06:00 that's the worst of all the syntaxes 16:06:04 hmm there is a glass of water on my desk, been here a while. since there is no algae growing in it i think its safe to drink... 16:06:04 whatever 16:06:21 'hello'->screen.puttext; actually looked halfways cool 16:06:23 df: no 16:06:31 ew 16:06:34 df: just cuz u cant see em dont mean they aint there 16:06:51 actually, i've drunk water that has been sitting on my desk for weeks before 16:06:51 morton: no it dont 16:06:56 its filtered water... so less goey enzymes.... 16:07:08 but it was in a bottle and had a cap on it 16:07:45 morton: crush syntax allows for very powerful things 16:08:08 powerful my ass 16:08:12 (write (getmesomethingtowriteon _ui) "hello") 16:08:32 slate syntax is definitely kewl 16:08:48 making "equal" a member variable is just brilliant 16:09:09 (write (getmesomethingtowriteon _ui) (+ "hello" " " "world")) 16:10:08 member variable? 16:10:38 ya 16:10:55 ? 16:11:34 so would that + at the end be the concatenation method in the text objects? 16:11:44 ya 16:11:50 hrm 16:12:02 looks a lot like lisp 16:12:09 and (= string1 string2) is like strcmp 16:13:32 what about * string1 string2 16:13:41 what about it 16:13:44 or | string1 string2 16:13:50 what do those do w/ text objects? 16:13:51 :P 16:13:57 whatever u want 16:15:25 --- join: Aardappel (wvo96r@ipd54b5cae.free.wxs.nl) joined #osdev 16:16:12 i need a finger condom 16:16:29 my finger hurts from using the trackpad 16:16:38 trackpad? 16:16:42 why are you using a trackpad? 16:16:47 why not 16:16:50 did ur mouse crap out? 16:17:15 i paid $150 for this thing, im gonna use it 16:17:36 --- join: ink (ink@user-vcauv54.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #osdev 16:17:58 Image Size Centered: 8x10 or 10x8 16:17:59 Image Size Pocket: 6x6 16:18:02 what did those two mean> 16:18:12 re 16:18:19 nate37: it has help 16:19:28 heh 16:19:33 air: use a trackball 16:20:09 air: doesn't tell me shit 16:21:04 morton: no 16:22:41 hmm 16:23:27 brb 16:23:30 --- quit: nate37 (brb) 16:24:50 why not, air? 16:27:32 --- join: nate37 (nathaniel3@cx83983-d.irvn1.occa.home.com) joined #osdev 16:30:23 --- quit: ink (changing servers) 16:30:53 --- join: ink (ink@user-vcauv54.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #osdev 16:31:10 trackballs rule 16:31:39 yes they do 16:32:05 --- join: geist (geist@wall.danger.com) joined #osdev 16:33:58 especially those 3d spaceballs sun and/or sgi used to sell with their workstations :) 16:34:02 --- nick: CorsairK8 -> corsairk8|sleep 16:34:18 yay! my newos article will be in the december DDJ 16:34:26 whoa! 16:34:31 awesome 16:34:33 =] 16:34:36 are you serious? 16:34:38 DDJ? 16:34:40 yah 16:34:44 Doctor Dobbs Journal 16:34:49 major programming magazine 16:34:56 i read it every time a new issue comes out, in the library 16:34:56 it's a pretty lame article, though. pretty short 16:35:24 geist: what's the context of the article? 16:35:41 heh 16:38:58 it's just a summary of some of the work on newos 16:39:25 trouble is it's only 2500 words which is not enough to describe a lot of it 16:39:32 brix is gonna make the front cover of ddh 16:39:33 ddj 16:39:53 and furthermore a lot of the stuff is out of date. I wrote it months ago 16:40:24 grr 16:40:33 I need to soop up my web page for it and do some work before the semi-onslaught of hits from the magazine 16:40:37 the day brix makes the front cover page of ddj is the day hell freezes over 16:40:41 heh 16:40:49 i'd shoot my computer monitor if that happened 16:41:01 ddj used to have some good stuff. now its seems to have gone downhillish 16:41:05 * air busts his ass to get brix ready 16:41:07 i betcha there is other indi os articles in it 16:41:32 I'm not super excited about ddj in general. usually there's a little info in it thats interesting 16:41:32 hrm 16:41:33 df: cuz they accepted geists aritcle? 16:41:35 :) 16:41:46 the ieee computer magazine is pretty good 16:41:48 air: no just since the last 5+ years, ddj has gone downhill 16:41:51 * morton makes a mental note to look for "Travis Geistelbracht" in the next DDJ 16:42:03 geist: congrats? 16:42:07 df: well i know that 16:42:10 air: wtf didn't you get an article in :) 16:42:27 nate37: i would turn em down 16:42:38 heh 16:42:55 morton: have you heard of cafepress.com? 16:43:06 yes 16:43:11 air showed me that site 16:43:19 and his little brix tshirt shop 16:43:20 nate37: i fixed it up for the new cp layout 16:43:25 nate37: want the code? 16:43:59 air: is this the same ole brix fron eons ago? 16:44:03 still ;) 16:44:04 i still think a completely black shirt with nothing but the neonish brix logo on the front in big letters would be the best 16:44:07 air: what i get back in linux 16:44:13 err 16:44:14 when 16:44:45 morton: so do i 16:44:52 --- quit: Aardappel (http://wouter.fov120.com/) 16:44:53 morton: i cant sell black shirts 16:44:57 well anyway, I'm pretty happy about the article. mo money too so I'll celebrate by buying something 16:45:07 maybe this will fund my layla 16:45:48 how much $$$ are you getting from this article? 16:45:56 $900 16:46:04 not a lot but enough to make it worth while 16:46:11 shit i gotta hit teh sack. gotta view a house tomorow to move into. ja matte ne. night folks 16:46:16 --- quit: df (syntax: oyasuminasai) 16:47:18 so how'd you get the opportunity to get an article in? 16:47:27 did they just see your site and ask you or something? :P 16:48:02 yeah 16:48:33 I got slashdotted back in the end of may. the editor just sent me an email asking if I would write a short article on the design & impl my OS 16:48:58 sweet 16:49:15 that is really cool 16:49:32 I'm not crazy about the article, but it was interesting to write 16:50:21 I found that writing about stuff you're interested in is pretty easy, keeping it short is not 16:50:49 I remember that past papers in college usually went way over the length limit if I was interested in the subject 16:51:19 true 16:51:24 that's always the case 16:51:32 "I hear that if you play the NT 4.0 CD backwards, you get a satanic message" 16:51:33 "--That's nothing. If you play it forward, it installs NT 4.0!" 16:51:36 lol 16:51:45 http://www.azillionmonkeys.com/windoze/jokes_windoze.html 16:52:00 heh 16:55:22 woah 16:55:31 lambdas kick ass 16:55:48 i was gonna add a method pointer type but i dont need to 16:56:09 was also gonna add a method/object pointer but dont need to do that either 16:56:27 yeee 16:56:36 it doesn't scale image well 16:56:41 i mean 16:56:46 not wide enough area 16:56:50 {method a:type args:types) covers the first and {method object args} covers the second 16:56:50 it just puts it on center 16:57:20 nate37: it works fine, u just gotta understand what it can do 16:57:31 nate37: oh and RTFM :) 16:57:55 air: i didn't know it was going to be so small of an area 16:58:02 it is good for logo 16:58:08 that's about it tho 16:58:10 its like 8" or something 16:58:12 mouseppad one might be cool 16:58:17 are u really THAT FAT 16:58:24 air: tall? 16:58:26 heh 16:58:34 it needs like 2 feet 16:58:41 hhhahahahahha 16:58:48 hehe 16:59:09 nate is 5'3" 270lbs 16:59:11 j/k :P 16:59:38 5'9" 170lbs :P 16:59:45 heh 17:00:00 i am 3 inches taller than you and i weigh the same =) 17:00:29 damn 17:00:32 fat boy 17:00:35 heh 17:00:37 wha? 17:00:39 i know it aint muscle 17:00:40 air: what's your weight/height? 17:01:01 morton: 6'3" 210lb of muscl 17:01:14 heh 17:01:47 i can do 3-400 situps in 2minutes 17:01:47 heh 17:01:59 that's pretty good actually 17:02:01 if it is muscle 17:02:26 i used to be able to do 100 situps in 1 minute 17:02:28 more then 17:03:10 situps are actually bad for your back 17:03:16 i think the preferred exercise is crunches 17:03:26 morton: thats what i do 17:03:27 at least that's what my hs gym teacher told us 17:03:32 crunches are more effective 17:03:44 less time resting, more time working 17:03:48 but i never feel like i'm exercising 17:03:48 i have to do like 100+ crunches to feel anything in my muscles 17:04:37 but its hard to test crunches 17:04:53 air: can you do one handed pushups? 17:04:59 i've never been able to do those 17:05:02 but anyone that cant do 3-400 situps in 2minutes needs help 17:05:21 and they should have FAT BOY tattooed to their head 17:05:28 lol 17:05:36 heh 17:05:40 think about it 17:05:41 i think air was a bully in HS 17:05:42 i never tryed for 2 minutes 17:05:46 3 to 400 17:05:50 ugh 17:05:56 :) 17:05:58 you diserve a /kb for that 17:05:59 heh 17:06:05 we bet on that all the time 17:06:08 air was one of those kids that played all the sports and called the fat kids lardasses 17:06:09 stupid ppl always lose 17:06:24 air: i thought you were just a lazy typist :P 17:06:37 heh 17:06:38 that's debatable 17:06:46 3-400 is common notation for 300 to 400 17:06:51 yup 17:06:54 brb 17:06:55 if you said 3 to 400, it would be unmistakeable 17:07:12 --- quit: nate37 (Leaving) 17:07:17 bet someone that u can do 3-400 situps 17:07:20 in 2minutes 17:07:29 bet them money 17:07:50 and take the full 2mins to do 3 situps 17:10:28 heh 17:10:37 "I Bet you a hundred bucks that I can do three to four hundred pushups in two minutes" 17:10:41 "HAH! You're on!" 17:11:02 it helps if u look like u cant, fat or tothpick 17:11:36 this guy in the army was 5'6" and had arms like toothpicks and he started it 17:11:51 but he really could do 400 situps in 2mins 17:12:16 i think he could do them in 1min 17:12:37 ugh, i really hate people that put a space after the asterisk in C pointer definitions 17:12:38 damn hard to count them too 17:13:09 what about no space before it? 17:13:36 that's lame too 17:13:50 the best is just: char *BuffPtr; 17:13:51 etc 17:13:58 i only uses spaces in the prototype 17:14:40 char *\tfunction_name\t( args ); 17:14:58 your C code is actually very readable 17:15:03 suprisingly enough 17:15:09 heh 17:15:15 why thank you 17:15:39 most asm programmers write messy as shit C code 17:15:55 most asm programmers write messy as shit asm code 17:16:15 lol 17:16:21 heh 17:16:25 * air looks at ink 17:16:33 i've never seen code written by ink 17:16:37 except his perl stuff 17:16:38 no? 17:16:38 i think 17:16:39 hehe 17:17:03 well if i remember correctly ink's wasnt that bad 17:17:20 ink: u tab before each instruction right? 17:17:29 ya 17:17:40 looks at _Secret's code 17:17:44 no tabs 17:17:47 no blank lines 17:17:50 oy vey 17:17:56 and I add lewd comments 17:18:01 well not really 17:18:03 and he likes self modifying code 17:18:07 ink: send me some of your asm code 17:18:10 butr whipping the slave-PIC =) 17:18:21 morton: hold 17:18:41 my asm code is crap 17:18:43 i have a tendency to make bloated routines 17:18:47 for some odd reason 17:18:58 i think it's because i unroll all my loops :/ 17:19:16 hehe 17:19:36 any read /. comments? 17:20:56 ya 17:21:10 do they ever talk about the topic? 17:21:16 http://www.azillionmonkeys.com/qed/ovfl.c 17:21:19 nice code 17:22:36 if u wanna prevent an overflow just add char overflowme[0xffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff]; to the top of every function 17:23:13 or 17:23:15 um 17:23:20 write yer own string functions 17:23:27 no 17:23:32 with yer own string type 17:23:39 clib funcs are fine 17:23:43 hmm 17:23:49 no they arent 17:23:58 you just have to know how to use them 17:23:58 btw air, i found a buffer overflow in your airc code already 17:24:06 no really 17:24:30 air: why are the clib funcs inadequate? 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17:59:32 all kernels except > 2.4.10? 17:59:38 >= i think 17:59:53 10 is not affected 17:59:55 i think its a ploy to get ppl to upgrade myself :p 18:00:07 are they gonna release patch for 2.2.x? 18:00:19 --- mode: nate37 set mode: -o nate37 18:00:20 no 18:00:24 Prolly not, 2.2.x is shit anyways. 18:00:27 2.4 > *! 18:00:28 but it dont matter 18:00:35 cuz i already rooted yer server 18:00:38 But that's ok, because I run freebsd, not linux. 18:00:42 and added backdoors 18:00:51 air: it's a local root ;p 18:00:57 i know 18:01:21 notten: i have shell access to his server 18:01:44 Ahahahaha, sucker ;p 18:02:25 heh 18:02:30 2.4.x doesn't like my machine 18:02:49 well im sure alan will release a patch 18:02:51 I reccomend Slackware 7.1 + Hand Upgrading 18:02:56 For Linux that is 18:03:14 For BSD I reccomend FreeBSD 4.3 + source upgrade to x4.1 and kde2.2.1 ;p 18:05:14 i had been running slack 8.0 for a while 18:05:17 before that 7.1 18:05:39 redhat and debian are decent too 18:06:50 RedHat == gay just because it's gay to wear a red hat. They shoulda called it blackhat ;p 18:07:06 And Debian is just not quite stable enough. 18:07:11 BSD > * 18:07:45 i've used openbsd before too 18:07:50 on a 486/33mhz 18:08:30 I have FreeBSD on a dual 486. but it doesn't support 486 smp. so it sucks. 18:09:01 gahahah 18:09:03 dual 486 18:09:54 that's like a cheap one speed bike with $400 racing tires 18:10:04 Heh, it's leet. 18:10:15 FreeBSD is kinda slow too 18:10:17 compared to linux 18:10:26 linux is more performance-optimized 18:10:27 --- quit: gab (Ping timeout for gab[gaia.chx-labs.org]) 18:10:28 --- join: gab (prfalken@gaia.chx-labs.org) joined #osdev 18:10:30 heh 18:10:57 Bleh, FreeBSD + XFree86 4.1 + KDE 2.2 is all I need. 18:11:00 * morton has run almost every kind of x86 UNIX 18:11:03 freebsd is not slow! 18:11:05 KDE hahaha 18:11:15 * notten bets morton has never run AIX ;p 18:11:22 FreeBSD has one of the best virtual memory system tho 18:11:24 kde = ui for people being weened off of Windows 9x 18:11:29 notten: there is an x86 port? 18:11:33 mmm, freebsd vm so good 18:11:41 ya know what slow?? MkLinux....linux on mach...now THATS slow :) 18:11:49 morton: a port? it was made for 286 processors. 18:12:03 morton: guess ya never ran it. 18:12:04 linux uses aggressive disk write caching, it makes it more responsive 18:12:08 um 18:12:13 AIX is for ibm risc machines 18:12:24 AIX runs on 286es. I have seen it! 18:12:25 like rs/6000 18:12:38 maybe you are thinking of something like XENIX 18:12:44 Damn, maybe I am ;p 18:12:46 I was about to say. 18:12:51 Have you run XENIX? 18:12:58 no, i haven't 18:13:03 Heh 18:13:04 --- join: adu (andrew@dsl-64-130-166-225.telocity.com) joined #osdev 18:13:05 but i've run SCO OpenServer and Unixware 18:13:09 which are made by the same company 18:13:14 (microsoft bought xenix from sco) 18:13:19 sco developed it tho 18:13:21 WTF? 18:13:26 MICROSOFT BOUGHT XENIX???!?! 18:13:27 WHY? 18:13:39 well, it was developed by sco for microsoft 18:13:53 this was a long time ago, when microsoft was trying to enter the unix market, i think 18:13:57 So XENIX is basically MS UNix? 18:14:01 like late 80s, but i'm not sure 18:14:11 LOL! 18:14:13 MS UNIX 18:14:16 heh 18:14:20 ahahahaha, that's fucking great! 18:14:31 other way around i thought, didnt MS spin off sco? 18:14:48 No 18:14:50 i thought sco developed it, and MS bought the license to it 18:15:09 haahahaha 18:15:18 adu!!! 18:15:47 http://www.computerhope.com/unix/xenix.htm 18:16:00 Microsoft licienced from AT&T, passed on to SCO 18:16:12 alter! 18:16:17 hehe 18:16:36 alter: i still can't get it in my head that you're the skinny guy 18:16:41 lol 18:16:46 MSDOS 2.0+ was copied offa XENIX actually 18:16:46 im the skinny guy! 18:16:55 but your name is so phat 18:16:56 http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/talkback/talkback_203921.html 18:17:01 lol 18:17:03 but alas 18:17:07 whats in a name? 18:17:19 are you talking about those Linuxworld pics? 18:17:20 i thought you would look more like nate 18:17:25 the one where alterego looks like a skater kid? :P 18:17:29 nate? 18:17:35 what does nate look like? 18:17:49 not skinny, not fat 18:17:54 medium pudgy! 18:17:57 --- part: geist left #osdev 18:18:42 yay! im installing Linux on my PowerMac 7100! w00t! 18:18:50 Eww, Mac! RUN!!! ;p 18:19:04 LOL! 18:19:14 XENIX was based on System III 18:19:16 Ahahhaah 18:19:19 hey! macs are cool! 18:19:23 MS Macintosh 18:19:29 MS G4 18:19:31 ew 18:19:41 MS AppleWorks hahahahaha 18:19:54 MS Unix LOL 18:20:17 Microsoft Works... The ultimate oximoron. ;p 18:20:22 indeed 18:20:32 XP = an attempt to get into the "X" game, bcuz ppl like "X"s, too bad UNIX, X11 have been around much longer 18:20:48 Mac OS X is still i think a little bit of a steal 18:21:11 mac's are still lame 18:21:24 morton: but less compared to Wintels 18:21:29 imho 18:21:44 this is my first weekent in 2 months that i've had to myself 18:21:50 i'm looking forward to sleeping in 18:21:59 i haven't slept in for a whole 2 months 18:22:04 Heh, if(strstr(windowsxp, "experience") { printf("%s", &windowsxp); } 18:22:09 That prints: 18:22:17 Windows... Bad experience... 18:22:57 it shouldn't 18:23:09 ADU!! 18:23:20 unbalanced parens 18:23:49 plus, you don't need curly braces for a block with a single statement 18:24:40 lalala lalalala lalala lalalala la la la la la la la la la la lalala lalalala lalala la la la 18:24:49 i love mozart 18:25:17 trans!!! 18:25:26 i love TRANSformers 18:25:35 actually i really used to when i was a kid 18:25:52 i think i was a wannabe transvestite 18:26:01 hmmm... 18:26:02 Adu: do you have mozart mp3s? 18:26:07 i don't thihnk i needed to know that 18:26:07 no 18:26:12 i have a CD in my stereo 18:26:20 sorry 18:26:23 I wish I had mozart mp3s. They sooo help when I need to code ;p 18:26:27 but not anymore! 18:26:44 i mean i don't want to be anymore, i'm still sorry 18:26:54 =) 18:27:00 too bad my nick is limited to 9 chars 18:27:01 heh 18:27:18 trans/mania 18:27:25 trans/exual 18:27:28 can't change it to transistor now that that other guy is gone 18:27:33 --- nick: trans -> transisto 18:27:43 trans/istor? 18:27:44 look at me i'm transisto 18:27:55 the magical transistor 18:27:56 yes 18:27:57 transistinator 18:28:04 hahaha 18:28:06 --- nick: transisto -> trnas 18:28:09 heh 18:28:13 dammit 18:28:27 * adu adunsistor 18:28:30 oops 18:28:39 --- quit: notten (Read error to notten[cc633109-a.union1.nj.home.com]: EOF from client) 18:28:42 --- nick: adu -> aduransistor 18:28:45 hehe 18:28:47 almost 18:28:53 --- nick: aduransistor -> adu 18:29:05 ah 18:29:14 my name looks like a wierd clown or a tiger or something when i'm stoned 18:29:16 i'm trying to do some research in the national enquirerer 18:29:27 their website is bad 18:29:28 hmmm... 18:29:34 theres like 1 story on it 18:29:44 that sucks 18:29:45 unless its just really hard to navigate it 18:30:46 1500 mp3s and i don't want to listen to any of them 18:31:00 guess i'll just need some more 18:31:05 =) 18:32:17 dammit my sister wont leave tonigh 18:32:22 i was going to havce 18:32:28 oops 18:32:40 i was going to get stoned at home but now i have to go out 18:32:44 there 18:32:53 fuck! what is with my enter key! 18:33:08 there is nothing to do 18:33:46 ahhhhh 18:33:50 so many panners 18:33:52 banners 18:34:03 hehe 18:34:11 oh good some evidence 18:34:17 * adu grins 18:34:19 ? 18:34:37 more aliens 18:34:46 ah i see 18:34:56 trying to prove the existence of aliens are we? 18:35:02 --- join: ebh (ebh@24.11.232.226) joined #osdev 18:35:27 no 18:36:08 ? 18:36:15 just satisfactorily substanciate certain claims 18:36:33 adu, did you get a new gf yet? :P 18:36:35 oh 18:36:37 no 18:36:41 hehehe 18:36:43 too bad 18:36:55 one of the people i met at fair said they were "not human" 18:37:06 hehe 18:37:26 and she was so cute too.... darn 18:37:57 thats what i was so paranoid at for the couple days after faire 18:38:21 --- join: notten (root@cc633109-a.union1.nj.home.com) joined #osdev 18:38:52 but i'm just in my "fuck it" phaze right now... 18:39:10 but i think Osama bin Laden is an alien 18:39:19 and i'm going to proove it 18:39:24 =) 18:39:46 No, the aliens deny he is one of them ;p 18:39:51 o ok 18:40:07 o well, back to the holographic board 18:40:12 =) 18:40:16 i love star trek 18:40:18 heh 18:40:23 and the new series 18:41:04 Pimpin Pengiun AIM Clone! 18:41:11 Enterprize actually shows alot more creativity, bcuz they haveto make technological "de-vances" in order to validate how things are in the later serieses 18:41:35 DAMN RIGHT! 18:42:02 notten: so you like freebsd more than linux? 18:42:03 and they haveto get alot closer to how we are today, thus explain in greater detail how all their gadgets theoretically work 18:42:10 morton: yes 18:42:34 like the holodeck 18:42:42 "resequenced photons" 18:43:01 instead of "colorized forcefields" 18:43:06 i think that was TNG's definition 18:43:19 --- quit: alterego (BitchX: the IRC client with hair on its balls) 18:43:29 i mean photons are real things 18:43:56 but forcefields don't exist yet, so the former is a much better definition in this day and age for our minda indeed 18:45:13 so you don't think thats kinda wierd? 18:45:20 anyone? 18:45:30 Sorry adu, you're on your own bro. 18:45:39 with what? 18:48:30 hhehe 18:48:38 notten is abandoning adu 18:48:53 * notten has psats tomorrow. 18:49:01 so does my sis 18:49:11 cool, so does mine 18:49:15 except my sister is leeter ;p 18:49:17 heh 18:49:21 cause she uses freebsd ;p 18:50:17 lol 18:54:00 ugh 18:54:11 my sister uses windows 98 18:54:28 Haha ;p 18:54:34 she would be pissed if she had to use something as relatively unfriendly as bsd or linux 18:54:46 seriously, wtf is your sister doing using freebsd? :P 18:54:57 my sis only uses AOL/mp3s/games/MS Word on her comp 18:55:13 Umm, she got bored of crashes and she didn't feel like using MSVC++ or djgpp, so she got FreeBSD 18:55:13 only one of which would work on fbsd :P 18:55:24 ADOOOOOOO 18:55:36 notten: are you in grade 11? 18:55:45 * ink is 18:55:49 Morton: yep 18:55:55 hmm 18:57:25 Peace! 18:59:21 heh 18:59:36 i took the psats and got some shitty score on them, like 10xx 18:59:48 ink? 19:00:40 notten: how old is your sister? 19:01:29 OMFG!! 19:01:34 look at all the ppl in here?!?!? 19:02:13 i remember what 5 was a good day =) 19:02:18 s/what/when/ 19:03:02 there were some OS design books at the library at my school today for sale 19:03:10 they were all $0.50 each 19:03:28 they were from like the 80's and early 90's 19:03:36 lol 19:04:00 i bought an ASM programming book from the 80s at a 2nd hand bookstore once 19:04:00 one talked about XINU 19:04:15 "Assembly programming for Pascal Programmers" 19:04:16 "XINU Is Not Unix" 19:04:30 heh 19:05:02 i wasn't very informative 19:05:09 so i didn't buy anything at all 19:05:19 i'm getting hungry 19:05:39 --- nick: adu -> adoof 19:05:43 hhehe 19:05:44 hahaha 19:05:50 backwords food-a 19:06:01 =) 19:15:05 --- quit: Avenger (nite all) 19:18:40 ahhh 19:18:42 --- nick: adoof -> adu 19:18:56 =] 19:20:49 arrows of neon, flashing marquees down on main street 19:20:55 dodododo 19:21:04 hehe 19:21:18 round and round and round and round don't take much to get me on the ground 19:21:20 marquees? 19:21:38 loose lucy, she was soft saying I know you don't want my love no more singin thank you for a real good time 19:21:54 adu:" signs 19:22:04 like the margyee screen saver for windows 19:22:18 o hehehe 19:22:24 hehe, not according to dict 19:22:25 Marquee \Mar*quee"\, n. [F. marquise, misunderstood as a plural; 19:22:25 prob. orig., tent of the marchioness. See {Marquis}.] 19:22:25 A large field tent; esp., one adapted to the use of an 19:22:25 officer of high rank. [Written also {markee}.] 19:22:25 [1913 Webster] 19:22:50 uhhhh 19:22:52 heh 19:23:04 marquee de sade 19:23:24 marquee de nate 19:23:26 ink: you wanna sell some t-shirts? 19:23:31 * nate37 starts recruiting sales ppl 19:23:33 sure 19:23:42 * ink makes e-commerce site 19:23:45 heh 19:23:48 nate, i bet i could sell like 20 of them at a LUG meeting around here 19:23:58 * adu wants a native programming language to macosx 19:24:07 applescript? nah 19:24:16 so lets say i get some in stock and i'll give you a better price to buy them from me off? 19:24:18 heh PPPasm 19:24:20 nag 19:24:25 * ink declares himself an official resaler of Nate37 Inc. merchendise 19:24:33 ink: Nate Co. 19:24:36 resaler? 19:24:44 no Nate37 19:25:08 oh, hehe 19:25:20 Natesoft Inc. 19:25:26 haha 19:25:39 "We put the iness back in business!" 19:25:43 * adu makes commercial media and background themesong to Nate Inc. 19:25:43 * ink ponders if anything in the way of a buissiness liscence is needed 19:25:53 morton: natorsoft inc. 19:26:18 n4t0rs0ft c0rp - us3 0ur sh1t 0r d1e l4m3rz!!!!!11 19:26:27 "Nate Co.'s T-shirts hit the spot, so log onto ink's site and buy a lot!" 19:26:45 hehehe 19:26:47 morton: and what exactly does that mean? everyone would be buses without us? 19:26:47 heh 19:27:24 * adu declares himself the official middleman to everyone 19:27:26 =) 19:27:33 #nateco 19:27:34 nyet! my job! 19:27:38 o 19:27:46 yes, everyone would be a bus without nate's shirts, cuz his shirts make people look very skinny and attractive 19:27:49 but even you need a dilivery boy ink! 19:28:11 i'm the all powerful transportational manager 19:28:19 or should trans do that? 19:28:22 hehe 19:30:16 --- quit: morton (Disconnecting) 19:30:48 --- join: morton (pathic@04-162.002.popsite.net) joined #osdev 19:39:45 --- quit: ink (Read error to ink[user-vcauv54.dsl.mindspring.com]: Connection reset by peer) 19:44:00 --- join: alterego (alterego@bespin.org) joined #osdev 19:47:46 http://www.iarchitect.com/msoft.htm 19:47:48 hahahah 19:47:54 For Shame! 19:50:45 --- join: ink (ink@user-vcauuko.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #osdev 19:51:25 re 19:51:29 yey! my proxy works! 19:51:52 heh 19:51:58 that means I should not get annoying banner ads anymore =] 19:52:24 whenever i see your hostname i think you are "vcauuko" using mindspring dsl 19:52:58 heh 19:53:04 soon I hope to be using sprint bbd 19:53:14 wow....PoN sounds really good out here.... 19:53:22 =] 19:53:23 nice garagey echos! 19:53:46 ? 19:53:48 PoN? 19:53:54 Picture of Nectar 19:53:58 an album 19:53:58 People of Nakedness? 19:54:03 oh 19:54:03 heh 19:54:04 by Phish :) 19:54:08 hehe 19:54:10 f1sh 19:54:16 trey anastasio... 19:54:17 nyet! 19:54:20 ya! 19:54:29 go trey! 19:54:37 what's that new band he's in with those other rockstars? 19:54:40 he started this new band 19:54:42 i forget the name 19:54:44 oysterhead! 19:54:47 yeah 19:54:53 it's a "Super-Group" 19:54:59 playing in berkeley on the 26th :) 19:55:01 all major rockstars in it 19:55:04 heh 19:55:11 trey, les, and stewart! 19:55:27 do any of you like Led Zeppelin at all? 19:55:32 yea 19:55:39 what about Velvet Underground? 19:55:47 i have led zep 1 on the turntable out here right now 19:55:59 i dont like VU very much 19:56:15 * ink watches banner ads show up as broken images =] 19:56:33 was it for this my life i sought? 19:56:36 was it for this my life i sought? 19:56:36 was it for this my life i sought? 19:56:47 MAYBE SO AND MAYBE NOT! 19:56:51 hehe 19:56:57 * alterego sings along loudly 19:57:24 * morton sings Ramble On 19:57:40 that's one of my fav. led zeppelin songs, altho i have hardly listened to many zep songs 19:57:55 no...its all about Good Times Bad Times 19:58:10 specially cause Phish does an awesome cover of it 19:58:54 does anyone know how big SunOS 4.x is? :) 19:59:34 * ink huggles squid 19:59:40 and listens to live terrapin station 20:00:24 im trying to figure out if i can use the drive i took out of my powermac 20:00:30 ...in my SS2 20:02:50 heh 20:03:00 ink: squid is on your server and windows is proxied thru it? 20:03:05 does it work well? 20:03:36 yes it does 20:03:42 I am using linux right now though 20:03:44 not windows 20:03:54 but yeaj, it is very cool 20:04:57 what else does it do besides ad filtering? 20:06:31 grr....i think my garage is having hot flashes 20:07:15 then again, maybe my vax is plotting to kill me by putting off lots of hear 20:07:17 heat 20:07:44 hahaha 20:07:46 ph33r 20:08:46 oh, dont worry, i do :) 20:10:23 heh 20:10:29 your vax is going to heat-assassinate you 20:10:46 alterego: what is that sparcstation 2 like? 20:10:48 btw 20:11:00 heh 20:11:05 I WANT MY LX DOING STUFF! 20:16:30 morton: sparcstation 2 == pizza box, 40mhz sparc 20:17:42 when they say pizza box, they mean it too 20:18:06 brb, making pasta sauce 20:18:15 --- nick: alterego -> alter|saucemaking 20:18:17 heh 20:19:13 --- quit: rhesus[sleep] (Buffer allocation error for rhesus[sleep][CPE-203-45-145-67.qld.bigpond.net.au]) 20:21:21 i know 20:21:30 i mean, is it really dog-slow 20:21:32 or what 20:21:37 those things are incredibly old 20:22:12 --- join: rhesus[sleep] (Godless@CPE-203-45-145-67.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined #osdev 20:22:16 hm, this is quite odd, i just found a ring bologna in the fridge that has a label that says "made by J.C. Hippey Inc." 20:27:21 buffer allocation error? 20:27:26 thats a new one 20:28:59 hm 20:29:22 --- nick: alter|saucemaking -> alterego 20:29:28 whoohoo 20:29:33 i made sauce 20:29:43 hehe 20:30:11 this is SO TRIPPY 20:30:41 the right channel out here is like 2sec. after the left 20:31:22 =] 20:31:42 Chalkdust Torture!!!!!! 20:31:49 alterego: yer making yer secret sauce again? 20:32:04 hehe 20:32:11 I want some secret sauce =P 20:32:18 air's vanilla! 20:32:32 hahahahahaha 20:32:58 secret sauce = what happened to air after they killed him and had no place to dump the body 20:33:12 --- quit: rhesus[sleep] (farmer.openprojects.net benford.openprojects.net) 20:33:12 --- quit: trnas (farmer.openprojects.net forward.openprojects.net) 20:33:12 --- quit: notten (farmer.openprojects.net forward.openprojects.net) 20:33:12 --- quit: alterego (farmer.openprojects.net forward.openprojects.net) 20:33:37 --- join: trnas (trans@a2a02274.intergate.bconnected.net) joined #osdev 20:33:37 --- join: notten (root@cc633109-a.union1.nj.home.com) joined #osdev 20:33:37 --- join: alterego (alterego@bespin.org) joined #osdev 20:35:18 --- join: rhesus[sleep] (Godless@CPE-203-45-145-67.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined #osdev 20:35:21 Persons within Magna 20:35:21 Brand Huntsman 20:35:21 Steven Brooks 20:35:22 1 persons not listed 20:35:24 hrm 20:35:39 Place code: US:ut:Magna 20:35:39 Maintainer: Henry White (for United States Of America) 20:35:39 Population: 0 million 20:35:39 Hostcount: 20:35:40 hu 20:35:40 Linux users: 3 20:35:47 0 million? 20:35:48 lol 20:36:07 air: i'm looking at linux user stats 20:36:16 linux counter? 20:37:40 li.org 20:37:44 counter.li.org 20:37:47 did you register for that? 20:37:48 that is linux counter 20:37:51 yes 20:37:57 do you know Steven Brooks? :P 20:38:00 no 20:38:30 ugh, sharp stomache pains since dinner 20:38:37 Max uptime currently running: 803.8 days 20:38:38 Max uptime ever observed: 803.8 days 20:38:40 holy shit 20:38:44 that's a long time 20:38:49 eh? 20:38:54 803 days uptime 20:38:59 who 20:39:19 http://counter.li.org/reports/uptimestats.php 20:39:36 imagine having a linux box up for 2+ years 20:39:36 coiley.net 20:39:40 hehe 20:39:51 go to coiley.net =] 20:39:56 huh? 20:39:58 why? 20:40:11 just do. 20:40:16 thats my stat page =] 20:40:47 ooo 25 days 20:40:51 hehe 20:40:51 BRILLIANT INK 20:40:53 :P 20:40:53 =] 20:41:02 like my nimda and CR counters? hehe 20:41:04 let's see that server go past 1 year 20:41:10 hrm 20:41:19 last time I reset was accidental 20:41:23 accidental? 20:41:23 I think I was plugging in a fan... 20:41:23 lol 20:41:26 hehehe 20:41:36 "OOOPS I STEPPED ON POWER BUTTON" 20:41:36 brb, dinner 20:41:39 u been up 25 days? 20:41:39 k 20:41:41 and yer happy 20:41:46 hehe 20:41:47 9:37pm up 53 days, 19:31, 19 users, load average: 0.43, 0.23, 0.16 20:41:47 no 20:41:49 --- nick: alterego -> alter|dinner 20:41:54 I am happy about my apache log counting dealies 20:41:57 hrm 20:41:59 53 days 20:42:05 kewl 20:42:13 why did you reset the last time, air? 20:42:14 my uptime is since 2.4.9 came out 20:42:23 haha 20:42:40 air: /exec -o uptime 20:42:47 ink: i did 20:42:55 i want to get a cheap box running linux and just keep it in my basement constantly running 20:42:56 again 20:43:00 and put it on redundant power 20:43:02 get a record uptime 20:43:03 9:39pm up 53 days, 19:32, 19 users, load average: 0.36, 0.25, 0.17 20:43:03 9:39pm up 53 days, 19:32, 19 users, load average: 0.36, 0.25, 0.17 20:43:10 ummmmm 20:43:12 oh wait 20:43:13 yeah 20:43:13 hehe 20:43:16 you're really pushing that machine aren't you air 20:43:22 43 uptime 20:43:24 er 20:43:26 load avg 20:43:32 .43 20:43:38 11:42pm up 5 days, 11:12, 6 users, load average: 0.01, 0.09, 0.14 20:43:43 .01 yay 20:43:45 20:43:44 up 1 day, 20:39, 12 users, load average: 0.04, 0.06, 0.09 20:43:48 playing mp3s 20:44:09 if i play mp3s my load shoots up to like 2.x heh 20:44:33 heh 20:44:46 air: /exec -o cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep bogo 20:45:16 ink: can i have yer nimb/codered script 20:45:20 okay 20:45:50 air: 19 users? how many rxvt's do you have open? 20:45:59 morton: :) 20:46:08 or is that ppl ssh/telneting in? 20:46:28 18 txvt's 20:46:33 er rxvt's 20:46:34 I have 1 xterm open 20:46:36 12 users 20:46:38 and an xterm 20:46:39 I have 11 consoles =] 20:46:55 wery cool 20:46:59 I prefer console to X 20:47:16 i use all Eterms 20:47:18 and one rxvt 20:47:25 eterm is bloated 20:47:27 the rxvt is for root 20:47:40 air: it has more features than rxvt tho 20:48:28 so 20:48:41 all i need is for it to display tex 20:48:42 t 20:49:02 whoa 20:49:04 u can compile in a menu 20:49:08 alter|dinner: nugs.net has been re-done! 20:49:20 and textured backgrounds and stuff 20:49:37 haha Bangladesh has 56 linux users 20:50:10 zimbabwe has 24 20:50:33 hmm 20:50:39 im gonna run that uptime script 20:50:48 ? 20:50:58 so my uptime is on that page 20:51:56 air: accept 20:52:16 hmm 20:52:22 took u long enuf to send 20:52:30 =] 20:52:34 long enuf for u to add some kinda explout 20:52:45 ;) 20:52:47 hehe 20:52:55 I opened up BX and forgot about it 20:53:03 because I had to do it on my server 20:53:03 where the scripts are 20:53:11 check the code if ya wanna =P 20:53:19 well, you have to anyway 20:53:22 oh im gonna check 20:53:27 unless your logs are in /www/logs or whatever 20:53:29 u can count on that :) 20:53:34 I put apache in /www cos Im lame 20:53:42 I like it there =] 20:53:43 haha 20:53:46 --- nick: rhesus[sleep] -> rhesus 20:53:48 --- quit: morton (Ping timeout for morton[04-162.002.popsite.net]) 20:53:50 there is one line at the top you gotta change 20:56:42 * rhesus belches. 20:57:00 rhesus: you working on an OS? 20:57:07 --- join: morton (pathic@06-095.002.popsite.net) joined #osdev 20:57:09 belchOS 20:57:19 heh 20:57:30 damn, bX really sucks for managing multiple servers on a randomly disconnecting ppp link 20:57:36 hehe 20:57:36 heh. 20:57:42 i either need a better connection or a better irc client 20:57:49 yeah 20:57:50 Been asked to. But no, not really. I'm not el8 enough :) 20:57:57 I agree 20:58:08 rhesus: ask to do what? 20:58:13 I was on OPN and it randomly connected me to slashnet 20:58:13 hey... 20:58:17 rhesus: you working on an OS? 20:58:21 when you are connecting to a 2nd server 20:58:31 how do you be in more than one chan in seperate windows? 20:58:43 woah 20:58:50 my trash has 3680 emails 20:59:01 hm? 20:59:05 you mean your Recycling Bin right ? :-) 20:59:09 hehe 20:59:23 * morton knows that air is a Windows whore at heart 20:59:25 lol 20:59:26 :P 20:59:34 you gonna take that, air? 20:59:40 http://slate.tunes.org/doc/syntax.html 20:59:44 ^^^ brilliant! 20:59:46 * rhesus snickers. 20:59:48 3680 deleted emails since mid july 21:00:47 wow thats about 40 emails per day, those mail filters are doing a good job removing spam, atleast 30 per day 21:01:24 http:borg.qzx.com/brix/?p0=about&p1=crush 21:01:29 ^^^ brilliant! 21:01:47 not 21:01:50 ^^^ even more brilliant if u add two /'s 21:01:55 hahahaha 21:01:58 does water still go on irc? 21:02:04 yes 21:02:09 but he is a sailor boy 21:02:14 air = brilliant, truly 21:02:15 and spents much time at sea 21:02:36 so? 21:02:40 you were in the army 21:02:46 same thing 21:02:56 morton: btw, water uses windows frontpage to write slate docs 21:02:59 " navy boys take it up the arse" 21:03:11 morton: how brilliant is that 21:03:21 heh 21:03:22 21:03:24 army != navy 21:03:27 well its frontpage express 21:03:28 frontpage 21:03:39 --- nick: alter|dinner -> alterego 21:03:48 water says that he only uses windows because "beos and linux won't play with my modem" 21:03:52 nate37: serious? i was just kidding 21:03:56 i like lyx a lot (latex, then you can convert to html,pdf,ps, etc) 21:03:58 air: heh 21:04:05 alterego: nugs.net redone! 21:04:05 check it 21:04:09 air: serious 21:04:17 ink: i think ive seen it 21:04:20 ill check 21:04:27 so, what's wrong with windows? air runs it on 80% of his machines :P 21:04:51 hmm that's only on one machine hmm 21:04:53 err 21:04:54 page 21:04:55 page 21:04:58 don't read well you type 21:05:00 --- quit: notten (Ping timeout for notten[cc633109-a.union1.nj.home.com]) 21:05:06 nate37: yer full of shit 21:05:19 slate.tunes.org is frontpage express 21:05:20 go look 21:05:26 ink: yea ive seen it 21:05:33 he's right 21:05:48 water does do it in frontpage but that's only because of the quote i mentioned above 21:06:12 hahaha 21:06:17 he does use frontpage 21:06:23 morton: ? 21:06:30 air: full of shit he h 21:07:01 morton: water runs it on 100% of his machines 21:07:16 LyX can do mathematical equations nicely too 21:07:35 water doesn't need any kind of generator either 21:07:41 most of his stuff is pretty basic 21:07:47 he could code that up in notepad or something 21:07:59 maybe if he didnt use frontpage it wouldnt look like a frontpage page 21:07:59 html or slate? 21:08:07 his pages on slate 21:08:16 he cept yelling at eihrul to finish it 21:08:28 he uses all those damn characters that only ie has 21:08:34 maybe water doesn't like coding 21:08:42 water cant code 21:08:51 cuz he hasn't produced much code for slate, i don't think 21:08:55 when did i get opage in #forth? 21:09:18 nate37: when you completed your 100th sloppy bj on MysticOne 21:09:20 j/k 21:09:26 wtf? 21:09:38 MysticOne is only from #hamradio 21:09:49 i've never seen him in #forth 21:10:02 nate37: u did WHAT? 21:10:23 air: i'm was ignoring the insult and trying to figure out why he said MysticOne 21:10:29 s/i'm/i/ 21:10:52 morton: wtf? 21:11:07 i dunno, i thought he was an op in #forth 21:11:15 lame joke 21:11:19 n/m 21:11:22 heh 21:11:28 he was in #hamradio and #dragon, along with kc5tja 21:11:31 i didn't think you would take such offence 21:11:54 and why would u be in hamradio 21:12:01 do u own one? 21:12:01 neway 21:12:05 ham radio is sooo outdated 21:12:08 it's pitiful 21:12:09 air: because i wanted to talk to kc5tja on a few ocasins 21:12:15 we had a teacher in HS that ran a hamradio club 21:12:19 air: and i kinda wanna get into hamming but nor much 21:12:20 and even the computer nerds laughed at him 21:12:22 not 21:12:22 it was sad 21:12:25 and u dont know how to use /query or /msg? 21:12:29 air: i'm op in there too :) 21:12:44 nate37: when you completed your 100th sloppy bj on MysticOne 21:12:46 ham radio is like the internet of the 70s-80s 21:12:48 yes i know 21:12:55 air: i knew that was comming 21:13:04 no pun intented 21:13:08 HAHAHAHAHAHAH 21:13:10 intendened 21:13:12 LOL 21:13:13 LOL 21:13:23 try again 21:13:25 you just set yourself up, don't you nate? :P 21:13:30 intended 21:13:36 yay 21:13:39 :D 21:13:59 air: i started laughing in the middle of trying to spell it 21:14:04 cause of mort's reaction 21:14:16 oh i see 21:14:22 blame your illiteracy on my hilarity 21:14:25 :P 21:14:41 hah 21:14:57 hmm my mail filters delete email so it doesnt go to trash 21:15:10 that means im manually deleting 40 emails per day 21:15:32 or was my math wrong 21:15:41 mid july to now, 3680 emails 21:15:45 ur math was wrong 21:15:46 how many per day 21:15:58 --- quit: ink (Ping timeout for ink[user-vcauuko.dsl.mindspring.com]) 21:15:58 thats about 90 days rights? 21:16:45 aprox 21:16:54 90 yea 21:16:59 whoa 21:17:08 now that i am reading a tutorial on BETA 21:17:14 41 emails yea 21:17:16 it is starting to look really messy 21:17:23 maybe this isn't such a cool language after all 21:17:23 morton: :) 21:17:32 what is BETA anyawy? 21:17:36 you keep mentioning it 21:17:36 language 21:17:42 i knwo that 21:17:45 slate is based on BETA 21:17:46 BETA and Self are the two main influences for water's Slate 21:17:49 ahhhhhhh 21:18:01 Self is a bigger influence tho 21:18:02 and Self is similar to smalltalk-80 21:18:17 i heard water is pals with that Jecel guy 21:18:41 Jecel? 21:18:42 he was building this merlinos thing 21:18:46 jecel is the creator of Self 21:18:55 merlinos sounds familiar 21:19:08 wasn't there suppose to be an os called clementine or something? 21:19:16 clementine was core's project 21:19:17 that tunes ppl kept saying was comming out 21:19:20 ah 21:19:27 i think air and core used to swap code 21:19:35 morton: how do you now all about tunes anyway, i didn't remember you as part of it 21:19:36 so air shoudl theoretically have some clementine warez 21:19:36 i am pals with jecel 21:19:53 nate37: i used to hang out in #tunes since june 99 21:19:57 ah 21:19:58 jecel did not create self 21:20:03 sun created self 21:20:08 jecel created self-r 21:20:09 air: ok well he is a major part of it 21:20:10 i joined #osdev in march of 2000 iirc 21:20:24 morton: jecel is NOT any part of self 21:20:32 um 21:20:43 well 21:20:56 i always hear him being referenced when talking about self 21:20:57 * nate37 trys to imagine air part of TUNES 3 years ago 21:21:08 --- join: ink (ink@user-vcauuii.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #osdev 21:21:08 nate37: air was on #tunes far longer than i was 21:21:11 _QZ 21:21:17 since like 97 or 98 21:21:17 and liar 21:21:25 maygbe even longer 21:21:35 there are #asm (efnet) logs of him dating back to 95 21:21:38 _QZ sounds like l33t hax0r name btw :) 21:21:46 oo 21:21:49 re 21:21:49 _qz sounds better than air 21:21:54 air is a ripoff of water 21:22:05 --- nick: morton -> fire 21:22:06 actually 21:22:06 well he wanted air cause he was so influneced by water 21:22:12 ooo the 3 elements 21:22:17 now all we need is "earth" 21:22:18 --- nick: nate37 -> earth 21:22:20 heh 21:22:33 before i came to opn when doom.com still existed i had efnet bots named air, water, earth, fire 21:22:39 ah 21:22:42 heh 21:22:47 --- join: BC__ (trilluser@h24-64-198-44.gv.shawcable.net) joined #osdev 21:23:03 i hadn't even been to efnet when i came to OPN 21:23:05 --- nick: BC__ -> BC_V 21:23:07 and yes i did change to air after water came 21:23:08 howdy 21:23:11 only MS Chat servers :P 21:23:13 i was mocking his nick 21:23:15 hahaha 21:23:18 newbie nate 21:23:20 :P 21:23:22 :P 21:23:37 i was on the internet since january 97 21:23:48 off and on compuserv and aol crap before that 21:23:56 --- nick: fire -> mrtn 21:23:57 internet citizen since april 94 21:24:07 i got my first computer in december 1992 21:24:18 december 87 21:24:22 air => [ppl+brix+crush] aka _QZ, creator of BRiX and Crush, at http://www.qzx.com 21:24:30 damn hcf maintins that up to date 21:24:49 i did some mud'ing before irc 21:25:09 i remember when the abi defintion of Brix was "evil or proprietary software" 21:25:12 heh 21:25:15 probably set by Fare 21:25:19 heh 21:25:26 yup 21:25:26 fare is ok 21:25:28 --- nick: earth -> nate37 21:25:33 fare is cool 21:25:39 remember those Brianna wavs we all made? 21:25:43 he wasn't insulting 21:25:44 heh 21:25:47 where fare made this little song about brianna? 21:25:54 that was neat 21:26:08 "yeah bitch. that's right, briannnna" 21:26:09 heh 21:26:12 heh 21:26:32 and you made a whole series of neurotic brianna wavs 21:26:43 like one where you're moaning 21:26:50 and it turns out briana is givnig you a "back rub" 21:26:50 heh 21:26:51 i don't even remember 21:27:35 [abi(abi@bespin.org)] brix is an "Advanced Computing Environment" at http://www.qzx.com/brix or a Deterministic Concurrent 21:27:35 Functional X Windows System at http://www.cs.bris.ac.uk/~ian/Functional/brix.html 21:27:36 whoa 21:27:40 X windows system? 21:27:57 another generic name made by air taken by someone else 21:33:19 ah radiocarbon dating is just figuring out how much Carbon decayed? 21:34:03 One such fossil is the Homo erectus known as "Java Man." 21:34:04 heh 21:34:59 nate, so you didn't even know about the internet in 96-97? 21:35:04 er, didn't use it? 21:35:42 i think i did why? 21:36:13 just wondering 21:36:23 when did you first install linux/bsd/etc? 21:37:18 it was redhat... 21:37:19 5.2 21:37:25 don't remember year 21:37:38 right before 6 came out 21:37:41 oh 21:38:03 when was that? 21:38:08 my first unix was FreeBSD 2.2.1 right when it came out =) =) 21:38:15 heh 21:38:21 how'd you get into it? 21:38:30 i had a walnut creek cdrom magazine lying around 21:38:32 for some reason 21:38:45 and i decided to order something, i got a new catalog first, then picked out freebsd 21:38:58 i would like to point out my second distro was slackware 7.0 :) 21:39:16 once new computer hardware arrives i'm going to switch permanently to bsd 21:39:21 i didn't like redhat, was buggy 21:39:32 openbsd on p166/freebsd on p3/windows on athlon 21:39:43 heh 21:39:58 i like fbsd 21:40:00 well 21:40:01 oh yeah, i might have used IRIX as my first unix actually 21:40:01 *bsd 21:40:09 cuz i used an SGI indigo2 at the smithsonian 21:40:10 my first memory of unix: 21:40:17 that was my real first memory of unix 21:40:21 i fell in love with the SGI 21:40:26 i've always wanted one 21:40:28 " I know this, this is a unix system!" 21:40:35 yeah 21:40:38 that was cool 21:40:42 that was SGI, btw 21:40:46 yeah 21:40:55 with some 3d filesystem explorer or something right? 21:41:05 everyone thinks it's a fake movie OS, or some bs like that, but it REALLY is IRIX running the 3d filesystem navigator 21:41:09 not that i knew even of SGI at the time 21:41:15 the 3d FS navigator is called FSN 21:41:18 yah i've seen it 21:41:20 or FSV, i forget exactly 21:41:43 it's actually more reasltic than some other movies 21:41:45 favorite bad quote about linux in tv: 21:42:02 where they make this lame hollywood computer with 72 point font 21:42:03 " What is this??" "this is linux!" 21:42:11 haha 21:42:13 xfiles? 21:42:22 yeah the guys from xfiles 21:42:33 they were all freaked out by the presence of linux 21:42:33 heh 21:42:48 hhahaha 21:42:50 lame 21:42:56 the first epsiode sucked 21:43:02 rest were actually good 21:43:06 xfiles is cool 21:43:06 funny at least 21:43:11 but lately it has been pretty lame 21:43:18 i don't watch it often 21:43:18 and some technical details are not exactly correct 21:43:26 it was best in 94-97 i think 21:43:29 last episode i saw i watched because i was up at big bear and they were filming it there :) 21:44:30 we were driving up there to go hiking and we look at all these crashed vehicals 21:44:51 first a regular car " heh somebody must have been drinking too much" 21:44:58 then a cop car all crashed up 21:44:59 then another one 21:44:59 heh 21:45:00 hahaha 21:45:10 lol 21:45:11 then a bunch of huge frigen lights 21:45:19 then a security guy a trailer 21:45:20 "somebody must have been drinking too much" 21:45:23 and a trailer 21:45:27 yah 21:45:54 the part where he stairs up at the sky and sees all that bright light shining at him 21:46:00 they had like 5 of these massive lights 21:46:11 like more power then to light up a 5 acre parking lot 21:48:58 i went out where my mom+ bro are to show them how my laptop battery was overheating, and my bro stole it and is using it to warm up... 21:49:30 --- quit: adu (Ping timeout for adu[dsl-64-130-166-225.telocity.com]) 21:49:57 hahahahaha 21:50:05 light a fire in that cool fireplace ya got 21:52:18 they're outside, it wouldnt help them 21:52:45 heh 21:52:55 tell them to move to living room to get drunk 21:52:56 they could just cuddle up w/ my Sun monitor 21:55:54 hahaha 21:55:54 or my SGI 21:56:21 hehe 21:56:29 --- part: BC_V left #osdev 21:56:43 does the indigo itself get all that hot? 21:56:57 kinda 21:57:13 I can use the fan as a handryer 21:57:13 in fact, I have 21:57:25 but the monbitor is a room-heater 21:59:42 my bro just came out here and said "Stop listening to that crazy acid-rock!" 22:00:32 how old is ur bro? 22:00:46 28 22:01:08 heh 22:04:55 yee 22:04:58 older then air 22:05:11 lol 22:05:42 my bro will turn 29 two days before i turn 16 22:05:48 in november 22:06:19 u the baby 22:06:23 hehe 22:06:23 yep 22:06:27 me too 22:06:31 I got 2 older brothers 22:06:38 ditto! 22:06:44 i have two younger brothers 22:06:52 --- join: adu (andrew@dsl-64-130-166-225.telocity.com) joined #osdev 22:07:11 dunno how old they are tho 22:07:13 adu!!!!!!~! 22:07:38 i do know they are both in high school 22:08:07 and my sister is 27 22:08:20 am i online again? 22:08:23 sorry 22:08:33 no, your not! 22:08:36 i forgot my computer was on cuz i was eating again 22:08:38 u better be sorry :) 22:08:59 HS? =) 22:09:03 now yer stating to sound like ink "cuz i was eating again" :) 22:09:11 hahahahaha 22:09:27 lol 22:09:47 air: you got too brothers my age? hah 22:09:49 two 22:09:56 if i ever meet ink in person i will be wearing a cup 22:10:09 ? 22:10:15 heh 22:10:21 the one will turn 18 this month 22:10:31 the other is 3 years younger 22:10:39 15 i guess 22:12:16 man i hate that song 22:13:04 stgen overture 22:13:31 it was so sad watching the enterprise-D blow up 22:14:54 heh you have 15 yo bro :P 22:15:06 geek at all? 22:15:42 dunno 22:16:24 i barely know their ages, dont expect me to answer questions about them 22:17:10 * rhesus yawns. 22:17:24 rhesus: did u ever answer nate's question? 22:17:31 Yes. 22:17:36 Well, I think so. 22:17:42 what was yer answer? 22:17:57 Not really. 22:18:04 h3h 22:18:06 haha 22:18:53 In two words or less... 22:19:03 whoa!!! 22:19:11 gnome....on....my...powermac 22:19:15 woah, i have 1021 mp3s 22:19:17 im so disturbed! 22:19:27 didnt know i had exceeded 1000 yet 22:19:42 alterego: i have some disturbed mp3s want them? :) 22:19:54 no.....................thnx 22:21:51 hi 22:22:21 putStr "Hello World" 22:22:32 thats it 22:22:45 * rhesus eyes adu. 22:22:55 heh 22:23:00 the hello world program in Haskell 22:23:09 ... 22:23:11 ink: kde on my pmac :) 22:23:30 * rhesus shudders. 22:23:33 air: how do you count directory? 22:23:35 KDE is fucking nasty. 22:23:41 alter: =) 22:23:41 nate37: ? 22:23:42 kde is awesome! 22:23:51 hmmm 22:23:54 kde is cool 22:24:01 but on a powermac? thats just no. 22:24:01 air: count the mp3s i mean 22:24:13 --- join: geist (geist@wall.danger.com) joined #osdev 22:24:19 nate37: x11amp 22:24:23 heh 22:24:34 the playlist numbers them 22:25:01 u can count from console too 22:25:14 ls -lR | wc isn't exact 22:25:30 use ls to recurse, grep to remove the . and .. and other crap and wc -l 22:25:34 i can't wait 22:26:02 until next year, then i'll be at the rennesaunce faire again, and everything will be perfect... 22:27:05 ls -Rl |grep "brand" |wc -l 22:27:22 hmm 22:27:22 hmm 22:27:26 i have about 800 mp3s 22:27:27 i have 1117 22:27:45 grep -c rawks ;x 22:27:55 i wonder why x11amp dont show that many 22:33:46 ho hum, another busy day 22:34:08 hehehe 22:34:12 gaim on my powermac 22:34:18 this is just SO WRONG 22:34:27 hahaha 22:35:30 XBILL! w00t! 22:36:01 teeheehee 22:36:10 * alterego thinks "mozilla...." 22:36:14 * rhesus snorts. 22:36:21 * rhesus thinks "resource hog.." 22:36:44 hrh 22:36:46 opera! 22:36:46 ...hence the humor, on a 66mhz ppc 601 22:37:00 * rhesus snickers. 22:37:39 heh 22:38:51 oh no....sound works!!!! 22:38:57 heh 22:39:44 mmmmm, trey 22:41:27 "I LOVE MY CHICKEN, CHICKEN TASTES GOOD!" ---Widespread Panic 22:42:29 heh 22:44:10 trans: nice lang 22:44:46 anyone need DirecTV_Stuff/? 22:45:02 we just got Directb 22:45:06 Directv 22:45:14 DirecTivo_EMU_stuff/ One_chip_emulator/ 22:45:14 HU Hack Stuff/ Pitou_linux_emulator/ 22:45:27 oooooooooooo 22:45:55 want any? 22:47:14 macos9.1.iso 22:47:29 oooo 22:47:31 i want :) 22:47:38 do ya? 22:47:53 ya, kinda 22:49:30 so scary, mpg123 on powermac --> internal speaker 22:51:08 night 22:51:14 i'm getting sleeeeepy 22:51:20 -rw-r--r-- 1 whore whore 554106880 Oct 15 13:19 macos9.1.iso 22:51:29 at 15k/s 22:51:46 wow you get around 22:51:52 you have macos 22:52:13 it will take u 10hrs to get from me 22:52:25 no thnx then 22:52:25 adu: want 10.1? 22:52:54 sure 22:53:02 10hr download 22:53:11 o 22:53:13 maybe not 22:53:24 we just got Telocity DSL too 22:53:30 instead of pacbell 22:53:39 so maybe it'll be faster 22:54:03 hm 22:54:04 i can have these files on my box in 1hr 22:54:22 --- quit: trnas (farmer.openprojects.net forward.openprojects.net) 22:54:22 --- quit: alterego (farmer.openprojects.net forward.openprojects.net) 22:54:22 --- quit: rhesus (farmer.openprojects.net forward.openprojects.net) 22:54:22 --- quit: mrtn (farmer.openprojects.net forward.openprojects.net) 22:54:22 --- quit: geist (farmer.openprojects.net forward.openprojects.net) 22:54:26 --- join: rhesus (Godless@CPE-203-45-145-67.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined #osdev 22:54:27 or 22:54:34 u could give me account on yer machine 22:54:45 and i could give u the file at 150k/s 22:54:48 --- join: trnas (trans@a2a02274.intergate.bconnected.net) joined #osdev 22:54:48 --- join: alterego (alterego@bespin.org) joined #osdev 22:54:48 --- join: mrtn (pathic@06-095.002.popsite.net) joined #osdev 22:54:48 --- join: geist (geist@wall.danger.com) joined #osdev 22:54:50 instead of 15k/s 22:54:55 i thought i already had 22:54:56 at one time or another 22:55:02 --- topic: set to 'Operating System DEVelopment' by ChanServ 22:55:36 this is so cool. this mac makes a pretty decent linux box 22:58:21 i cant wait until the RIAA starts DoSing me 22:58:50 their new weapon against mp3 pirates, a DoS script 22:59:30 what kinda music is massive attack? 23:01:19 sort of trip-hop 23:02:03 well actually pretty much trip-hop 23:03:24 air: going threw my archive or something? 23:03:34 nate37: eh? 23:03:48 heh 23:03:58 this warez site has it 23:04:03 ah 23:04:43 mmmm, sam adams october fest 23:05:23 agh don't remind me about oktober fests 23:07:09 hm 23:08:39 geist: how about Alphawezen--into_the_stars-CDS2001-kW/ 23:08:46 no idea 23:08:56 www.allmusic.com 23:09:02 bleh 23:09:24 looks like an electronica thing 23:09:47 --- quit: adu (Ping timeout for adu[dsl-64-130-166-225.telocity.com]) 23:09:54 hmm 23:10:10 Avogadro's Number, book says its the number of atoms in 12 g of 12C, right? 23:11:29 ack 23:11:35 i just double download the same CD 23:11:39 number of atoms in one mole, which is 12 of 12C 23:11:55 well 23:12:02 or the other way around 23:12:06 i'll say just what the book says at this point 23:12:18 oh, haven't got to mole yet 23:12:37 "Avogadro's Number is defines as the number of atoms in one exactly 12g of 12C" 23:12:44 geist: its actually the next page heh 23:12:53 mole? 23:13:19 then it says "The mass of a single 12C is then by dividing exactly 12 g by Avogadro's Number" 23:13:20 yeah 23:13:23 yeah, one mole is 1 avogadro's number of atoms of stuff 23:13:31 12g/N0 23:13:49 but since its defined by the number of atoms in "12 grams of 12C" 23:13:58 lemme see if I remember it 23:13:58 wouldn't it be (12g/12g)/N0 23:14:02 hence 1/N0 23:14:09 6.02 x 10^23, right? 23:14:42 yea 23:15:00 you'll know that number for the rest of your life 23:15:10 or actually 23:15:50 wouldn't be N0/12 23:16:00 err 23:16:01 wait 23:16:01 heh 23:16:20 ahh 23:16:21 n/m 23:16:22 heh 23:16:28 yeah or something 23:17:21 * geist builds the system to flash on a device 23:17:27 hm 23:17:47 has anybody beaten hack.datafort.net yet? 23:18:16 http://hack.datafort.net/~level8/index.html 23:18:55 hehe 23:23:23 hmmm, all in all not a lot of osdev talks go on here 23:23:39 * rhesus noticed that :) 23:24:11 * geist was hoping for a q&a forum and a good chance to do some serious os dev discussions 23:24:13 heheheheehy 23:24:23 but i guess that's just the way it works 23:24:26 geist: start discussing 23:25:04 I've tried, and we've done some good talk, but we pretty much said what we were going to say 23:25:50 ink: hey, you have a sun tape drive, dont you? 23:26:42 anyway, I've just been looking for some different perspectives on things, and air has provided a lot of that 23:27:21 --- quit: ink (Ping timeout for ink[user-vcauuii.dsl.mindspring.com]) 23:27:55 he actually lasted a lot longer than usual 23:28:01 heh 23:28:03 yea 23:28:41 * geist hacks on a simple xmodem protocol module 23:31:12 anyone know what mindrover is? 23:31:52 some kinda game for windows 23:32:04 Nope. 23:32:07 no 23:33:03 http://www.cognitoy.com/mindrover/freeze.htm#menus 23:33:04 hmm 23:33:12 looks kinda kewl 23:33:18 --- join: ink (ink@user-vcauu5e.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #osdev 23:33:28 * rhesus bops ink. 23:33:32 * geist remembers reading a review of that game 23:33:37 think they liked it 23:33:54 ink are back! congrats :) 23:34:01 hehe 23:34:05 re - damn DSL 23:34:11 =] 23:34:22 so, ink, hey, dont you have an old sun tape drive around? 23:34:39 http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters/products/0,11114,197946,00.html 23:35:17 yes I do 23:35:37 i might need to borrow it sometime 23:35:45 oh? 23:35:49 you got a tape? 23:36:11 no 23:36:14 but i might 23:37:02 hm 23:37:25 hmmm, I should grab a copy of that mindrover game, if any thing else to promote the ol build a robot game genre 23:38:46 grr, bugs.net is having "technical difficulties" 23:38:47 and it's ported to linux for those so inclined to not use windows 23:40:23 hm 23:41:48 looks cool 23:42:36 * nate37 turns on KLOS 23:43:07 * geist orders a copy of it 23:43:12 KLOS 23:43:13 ? 23:43:21 heh does it require OpenGL? 23:43:32 the game? yeah 23:43:33 radio station.. has "free-form" radio at night which is nice 23:43:36 damn 23:43:37 oh 23:43:55 $25 23:44:02 not bad 23:44:21 unfortunately you can't download it, so I'll have to wait for it to show up 23:44:26 :/ 23:45:12 ora_books.tar.gz 23:45:19 what would u geuss that to be 23:45:37 hmm 23:45:46 o reilly all books 23:45:47 heh 23:45:48 maybe 23:46:00 that was my guess 23:46:02 downlaod and see 23:46:03 30meg 23:46:06 hmm 23:46:10 seems hmm 23:46:11 about right 23:46:17 maybe not all of them :P 23:46:34 air: www.nate37.net/~nate/papers/ 23:46:45 all legal stuff 23:46:49 i wish ncftp would let me browse while downloading 23:47:06 this is all legal stuff 23:47:11 heh 23:47:12 as long as i dont get caught 23:48:24 hmm all of mine are legal 23:48:26 most are heh 23:48:50 mindrovers is kewl 23:49:06 MindRover is 'the Intelligent Robot Simulation' or perhaps you 23:49:07 can call it a 3D strategy/programming game. 23:50:03 hm 23:51:26 ya 23:51:32 it is those books 23:51:44 in html 23:51:57 every nix book made by them 23:53:38 java_bookshelf/ 23:53:38 networking_bookshelf/ 23:53:38 perl_bookshelf/ 23:53:38 samba/ 23:53:38 unix_bookshelf/ 23:53:39 web_bookshelf/ 23:59:59 --- log: ended osdev/01.10.19