00:00:35 --- log: started osdev/01.03.12 00:00:35 oops forgot about u 00:00:51 lag kept spiking and my team was full of fscking morons 00:00:56 cs.speakeasy.net 00:03:34 k 00:04:33 can't resolve 00:05:29 hmm 00:05:38 that is what trafshow says 00:05:44 ? 00:05:44 hmm 00:05:46 gimme ip 00:05:59 216.254.0.27 00:06:01 try that 00:06:07 k 00:06:39 nm 00:06:56 all 6 players just left at once 00:06:58 hmm 00:06:59 yea 00:07:02 hmm 00:07:14 weird 00:07:20 yes wierd 00:07:43 fake server? 00:07:52 uhh 00:08:01 i have been playing on it for several minutes 00:08:03 heh 00:08:05 capped two flags 00:08:08 did it dump you too? 00:08:11 pretty sure it wasnt fake 00:08:15 no 00:08:28 wierd then 00:08:35 bots? :p 00:08:39 no 00:08:45 204.107.174.66 00:10:15 uhh 00:10:17 where are you? 00:10:40 nm 00:10:47 hah 00:10:53 that server has speed cheaters 00:11:05 hmm 00:11:09 what's that? 00:11:26 speed cheaters? 00:11:29 i mean 00:11:30 hmm 00:11:34 they fly around? 00:11:41 its a bug in hl that lets u run at superman speed 00:11:48 heh 00:11:49 cool but 00:11:51 u can blink from one side of map to other 00:11:51 not fun to play with 00:11:54 wow 00:11:58 and they also fire fast 00:12:19 ah 00:12:24 hwguy that can empty his 300 rnds in a second and move 100 times faster than a scout 00:12:30 ?? 00:12:47 speed cheaters most always pick hwguy 00:13:20 ah 00:13:59 u can pick any class but if yer gonna cheat, cheat big time 00:14:18 yup heh 00:16:46 --- join: ree (jwm@twisted.goodnet.com) joined #osdev 00:16:51 ree 00:16:56 tirloni lookin' for you 00:16:56 hey nate 00:16:56 omg 00:16:56 earlier 00:16:59 heh 00:17:02 i just read about cons 00:17:06 cons/ 00:17:06 its pretty cool 00:17:07 cons? 00:17:11 ree! 00:17:15 its a replacement for make 00:17:16 yer not dead 00:17:21 hey adu 00:17:23 reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 00:17:24 air 00:17:28 re ree 00:17:29 ree: leave while you still can 00:17:32 well, I don't really do operating systems 00:17:39 so I don't have much to talk about here hehe 00:17:48 re 00:17:50 :p 00:17:55 heh, no worries, I'm in a concealed room =) 00:18:08 me :Unknown command 00:18:09 flash your ascii nate and adu porn 00:18:10 heh 00:18:22 ew 00:18:23 ==========) 00:18:24 \\ 00:18:29 \)) 00:18:31 heh 00:18:36 haha 00:18:43 I see ajkroll is here =) 00:18:54 2 00:19:09 http://www.dsmit.com/cons/ 00:19:19 i was on with a girl one time and we were both doing erotic ascii art heh 00:19:40 nate, yeah, I'm sure you prematurely typed =) 00:19:57 ? 00:20:01 girl has joined (#nate37) 00:20:03 oh 00:20:05 heh 00:20:06 nate37> ohh ohh ohh yeah 00:20:06 hmm 00:20:08 wp59.wireplay.net 00:20:15 k 00:20:35 adu, one sec 00:20:57 nate37: i dont think it was a girl 00:21:04 nate37: u just thought it was a girl 00:21:26 sure that's correct? 00:21:36 nate37: so was that yer first online homosexual experience? 00:21:39 air: oh know i have talked to her via phone before 00:21:40 heh 00:21:48 s/know/no/ heh 00:22:15 oh ya and guys cant change their voice to sound fem 00:22:26 heh 00:22:29 and seen pictures 00:22:30 heh 00:22:33 air: ok.. 00:22:39 air: that hostname looks empty 00:23:10 nate, maybe it was one of your other 14 year old male 'buddies' at school 00:23:14 you guys at that age have high pitch voices 00:23:27 hah 00:23:31 ree: mine is low 00:23:45 when you have his dick in your mouth? =) 00:23:47 i've scared people before.. i mean cause they were like lighting things on fire and they thought i was an adult 00:23:49 hah 00:23:50 j/k 00:24:04 air? 00:24:50 its not 00:24:57 its not correct? 00:25:02 or hmm 00:25:03 gimme ip 00:25:08 it resolved wrong maybe 00:25:11 cause i can't see it 00:26:30 adu, replacement for make? 00:26:48 i mean i see it but no infomartion returned 00:30:41 212.162.240.59 00:31:15 maybe they blocked @home 00:32:06 ree: yup 00:32:24 its really simple, and its written in perl 00:32:52 everytime you change a file, you don't haveto 'make clean' it takes care of everything 00:33:21 heh 00:33:42 there is a problem with unix coding technology 00:33:48 it takes ~10 years to catch on 00:34:22 haha 00:34:39 wait 00:34:44 are you insulting me? 00:35:30 adu: ? 00:35:36 bcuz its actually part of GNU, but i haven't seen anyhting with cons in it 00:35:37 adu: "everytime you change a file"? 00:35:43 ya 00:35:46 example 00:35:55 heh adu, insulting you? 00:36:40 like if you have a program with gui.c and calc.c and you compile, then change gui.c, you don't haveto compile everything, just gui.c, and cons recognzes it 00:37:18 i dunno, just read the site 00:37:25 i'm going to bed soon 00:37:30 wait 00:37:31 haha 00:37:32 adu 00:37:35 what do you think make does? 00:37:48 myprog: gui.o calc.o 00:37:58 gcc -o myprog gui.o calc.o 00:38:03 calc.o: calc.c 00:38:07 gcc -c calc.c 00:38:12 gui.o: gui.c 00:38:16 gcc -c gui.c 00:38:29 when you change gui.c you only need to compile that 00:38:35 and then link myprog 00:38:36 adu, make can do that 00:38:44 that's basiclly what make was MADE for 00:38:46 yeah, they are called dependancies 00:39:00 you can use it with any file too 00:39:03 but cons does it much simpler, you see how many lines it takes? 00:39:14 make is simple 00:39:30 you even have tools to generate the dependancies for you 00:39:32 automatically 00:39:54 the page at cons explained it better 00:40:48 makefiles are so very conveluded and hard to read, and configure scripts are even harder 00:41:06 with cons you don't need a configure script i think it does that too 00:41:42 heh, makefiles, just as source code, are as easy to read as the authors writes them 00:42:02 more people complain about reading perl code than any other code I believe 00:42:20 but you don't need to know perl to use it 00:42:23 but, that probably doesn't float either =) 00:42:24 just look at the site 00:42:28 yeah, I read that part 00:42:30 "but it helps" 00:42:30 heh 00:42:44 its like gnu.org/software/cons 00:42:44 grr 00:42:47 i think 00:42:49 I think we should get rid of makefiles 00:42:50 er 00:42:52 configure 00:42:56 and go back to makefiles 00:42:58 6vs8 00:43:03 im 62-0 00:43:05 configure pisses me off 00:43:19 and not all of their players suck 00:43:19 i know it never works 00:43:34 well, it uses a ton of tools 00:43:37 so they have no reason for a total lack of defense 00:43:38 i go now 00:43:48 huh 00:43:51 hahahahahaha 00:43:51 people use libtool, tons of shell stuff, m4 macros 00:44:17 ya, i like m4 00:44:23 i want to use m4 with c 00:44:28 and they all speak german or something so i cant bitch about lack of defense 00:44:32 and asm 00:44:34 :) 00:45:24 me go 00:45:31 tired 00:45:37 i is 00:45:46 night adu 00:45:51 eye bye now 00:45:53 heh 00:45:54 c 00:45:56 =( 00:45:57 cya! 00:46:00 later 00:46:00 --- quit: adu (IRCStep) 00:49:38 it's getting warm in az now heh 00:49:41 time to move 00:49:44 ;) 00:49:55 I'm thinking about something like brazil 00:50:00 clear some rain forest 00:50:08 er, rather, start a tree house 00:50:29 run a 10 thousand mile cat5 cable to the us =) 00:50:40 haha 00:50:51 or two, for redundancy 00:51:01 then I can host a efnet server 00:51:06 and noone will know the difference heh 00:51:24 it splits just like the other servers hehe 00:51:58 hmm 00:53:07 brb 00:53:08 --- quit: nate37 (Leaving) 00:53:37 I could see the trouble of moving the wire every time there was a forest fire heh 00:53:45 FIRE, GRAB THE WIRE AND RUN 00:56:09 --- join: nate37 (nate@cx83983-d.irvn1.occa.home.com) joined #osdev 00:56:54 heh, I've been watching beastmaster too much 00:57:02 I want to create a society in which technology is transparent 00:57:05 hmm 00:57:07 heh 00:57:12 where it can be everywhere 00:57:13 i've been playing with quake 2 gravity too much 00:57:17 seee 00:57:17 but not need to be noticed 00:57:24 when i started walking downstairs in real life 00:57:30 our current culture sucks horse hairs 00:57:30 i was expecting to float over it 00:57:31 heh 00:57:48 or get blown up by air's rapid fire bazooka? 00:57:50 heh 00:57:57 because you went down the stairs too fast? =) 00:58:07 OHH SHIT, YOU CAN TURN AROUND AIR??? 00:58:36 heh 00:58:49 it was umm 00:58:54 goes down really slowly 00:59:07 so you can like walk across pits 00:59:07 heh 00:59:50 hard to stop me from dumping all my current crap in the trash and hitch hiking to another country heh 01:00:01 heh 01:00:16 this country sucks 01:01:09 yup 01:01:14 wlel in some ways 01:01:16 others it is good 01:01:20 in most ways 01:01:33 name some good ways 01:02:18 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 01:02:23 not as much killings? 01:02:34 good health laws 01:02:38 --- join: nate37_ (nate@cx83983-d.irvn1.occa.home.com) joined #osdev 01:02:40 doodododod 01:02:42 (from server 01:02:43 ) 01:02:51 notta, notta 01:03:28 the united states 'culture' has screwed most of us over 01:03:42 brainwashed by every frigging element 01:04:19 heh 01:04:35 hmm 01:04:53 what's a good country then? 01:04:58 I need to work on a different solution 01:05:20 anyone where you can roam on the land freely 01:05:28 hmm 01:05:46 i love newbies 01:05:56 especially when team kill is on 01:06:16 and they dont understand what the word "team" means 01:06:29 and they are hwguy and mow their entire team down 01:06:33 over and over and over 01:06:47 heh 01:08:06 there is a vnc for os/2 right? 01:08:07 server 01:08:36 probably 01:08:43 if not, you could probably run the unix one 01:08:45 using emx =) 01:08:54 check out the hobbes archive =) 01:09:05 hobbes.nmsu.edu or something 01:09:08 not sure iirc 01:10:10 k 01:10:16 i think i'll put warp 3 on 486 01:10:28 heh this is fun 01:13:35 --- quit: nate37_ (nate37_ has no reason) 01:13:53 " ok now i will talk again" 01:13:54 heh 01:21:44 * ree is still not over his cold 01:22:09 heh, www.picture-rate.com 01:27:56 hmm 01:27:59 i just relized 01:28:02 robin hood 01:28:07 robbing hood 01:28:08 heh 01:28:15 hehe 01:28:33 I really need to start doing some sort of pressure/stress release with dist 01:28:36 like concept art 01:29:47 heh, cool idea for a desktop background 01:29:50 a barcode =) 01:29:54 heh 01:30:09 http://delmoi.dhs.org/backgrounds/barcode.jpg 01:30:20 he's done a few inside of /backgrounds/ 01:34:08 uhh 01:34:15 that's a background? 01:34:32 yeah 01:34:35 why not? 01:34:44 heh 01:34:57 since when did barcodes have letters in them? 01:34:58 bad quaily 01:35:03 heh air 01:35:04 they do 01:35:13 it's not part of the barcode 01:35:15 and he shoulda antialiases the numbers 01:35:15 it's a product id 01:35:25 well, I think he did that for added drama 01:35:30 since he uses photoshop 01:35:36 no problem with having the proper fonts =) 01:35:44 and what kinda luser would put a barcode as background 01:35:54 heh 01:35:57 I like the idea 01:35:59 ree.... . 01:36:02 hehe 01:36:06 I like simple objects for backgrounds 01:36:12 it shows up great with transparent terms =) 01:36:19 revulition iii kinda cool 01:36:31 heh, I didn't say they were good ;) 01:36:31 but i would like to see a better graphic made like that 01:37:00 I forget that one address that has awesome graphics 01:37:12 they did transparent mushroom images =) 01:37:16 along with lots of others 01:37:28 it's a subscription based service 01:38:14 Dist's desktop bg will be 01:38:19 [DIST] 01:38:23 heh 01:38:24 heh 01:38:29 I could add a url or something 01:38:37 but just that text is perfection =) 01:39:13 well, ok 01:39:19 I'll spell it all out 01:39:22 hmm 01:39:43 D e v e l o p m e n t I n S c i e n c e & T e c h n o l o g y 01:39:46 there 01:39:47 heh 01:39:52 perfect bg image =) 01:40:12 the default brix background will be a medium blue to black diaganol gradient with the brix logo in bottom right corner 01:40:12 you may all freely copy for your own or others use, in accordance to dist's public domain standing ;) 01:40:47 heh 01:40:47 special effects, hmm 01:41:27 I'll add a line! 01:41:37 most advanced special effect there is 01:42:27 hmm 01:47:51 who likes the statement "freedom through technology" 01:48:00 * nate37 shrugs 01:48:12 or, 'freedom in living' 01:49:03 you guys need to plant a tree, that way you can at least begin to make up for your missuse of oxygen =) 01:49:11 heh 01:49:13 j/k, love you all 01:49:16 :p 01:49:17 riight 01:49:20 fuck off :p 01:49:21 hehe 01:49:32 like the plague 8) 01:49:39 haha 02:10:56 * nate37 hmm 02:13:46 night all 02:13:51 nigh 02:13:51 t 02:14:08 good luck with brix air, good luck with stileprojects^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H.. stampede nate 02:14:16 heh 02:14:16 good luck with depression lar =) 02:14:21 good luck with logging, clog 02:14:21 heh 02:14:24 good luck with 02:14:25 umm 02:14:27 yea 02:14:28 ree 02:14:36 good luck with your old processor programming ajkroll heh 02:14:44 ree needs luck 8) 02:14:57 heh 02:15:02 luck luc 02:15:02 k 02:15:02 catch you all sometime 02:15:19 I might drown out in the shed with all my scsi drives running at once in 120 degree heat 02:15:19 heh 02:15:26 later =) 02:15:29 cya 02:15:30 --- quit: ree (Disconnecting) 02:16:54 hmm 02:17:59 --- join: gREMLiNs (kittie@195.252.66.50) joined #osdev 02:18:49 hi gREMLiNs 02:19:12 hi nate 02:19:20 is server server? 02:19:27 nope 02:19:31 PS fan went wierd 02:19:36 so i attached two cpu fans 02:19:39 temporarily 02:19:41 works :) 02:19:54 tommorow i'll prolly switch it over to gateway 02:19:54 hmm 02:19:56 * nate37 things 02:19:58 thinks even 02:20:03 fuck 02:20:09 when will srv bereadddyyy 02:20:23 tommorow i'll prolly switch it over to gateway 02:20:29 i worked on initscripts today 02:20:33 and played with VPN 02:20:43 also i should try to get more memory working hmm 02:20:55 air: any idea what would be causing it not to detect new memory? 02:21:18 nate37: different type of memorys used 02:21:30 hmm 02:21:31 no 02:21:34 see 02:21:36 i put some n 02:21:38 new 02:21:40 16MB 02:21:44 like before 02:21:45 i mean 02:21:47 it says 16 02:21:52 i put in some old 02:21:55 still says 16 02:21:56 :/ 02:22:07 thats becouse memorys differ :) 02:22:15 i put 64 new 02:22:17 and 32 old 02:22:19 and none work 02:22:27 heh 02:22:30 it works 02:22:40 just doesn't detect 3rd and 4th bay 02:22:45 i'll play tommorow 02:22:50 :)) 02:22:56 good vibration 02:23:08 ? 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12:32:44 yea 12:35:43 ohh 12:35:43 good 12:36:01 know any site about dbs....like i need description of old clipper's dbf 12:36:12 imen how they worked 12:37:44 hmm 12:37:50 nope :/ 12:38:38 urgh 12:39:19 could somebody point me to some of their favorite osdev resources on the web? 12:58:06 --- quit: futhin (Leaving) 12:59:02 developer.intel.com :p 13:00:21 damn 13:00:31 --- quit: lar1 (Ping timeout for lar1[adsl-63-203-75-64.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net]) 13:00:33 i was just about to tell him few pages 13:00:57 --- join: lar1 (lar1@adsl-63-203-75-64.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #osdev 13:01:14 heh 13:01:36 you have ssh, right grems? 13:07:02 course 13:07:22 k 13:08:12 why? 13:08:34 when you get an account.. 13:08:36 no telnet access :p 13:09:10 well ofcourse :) 13:09:38 does that mean that im getting account in next few months or your just turning me on? 13:09:51 making you horny 13:09:51 heh 13:11:44 be pretty soon actually 13:11:46 hmm 13:12:04 people are killing other people there cause of religon, right? 13:13:10 --- join: air (brand@p0wer.qzx.com) joined #osdev 13:13:23 hi 13:13:30 hi 13:13:50 amoung other things :) 13:13:58 gREMLiNs: heh.. 13:14:04 gREMLiNs: for or againt it? 13:14:33 yes..you? 13:14:43 yes? 13:15:32 good :) 13:16:04 heh 13:16:06 me against 13:16:33 * nate37 trying to start cultural holy war :p heh 13:17:22 ugh i have to drive down to the vehicle registration place today 13:17:37 how? 13:17:52 air: reregistration? 13:17:59 ya 13:18:05 blah 13:18:12 next month i take class room work 13:18:15 then get permit 13:18:28 my plates expired in feb 13:18:34 heh 13:18:41 maybe i will become one of those unregistered drivers 13:18:47 * gREMLiNs doesnt get anything 13:19:19 i think only about 50% of the ppl here actually register their cards 13:19:21 cars 13:19:31 heh 13:19:42 the other half steals the plates from those that do 13:19:43 "... get cards for their cars" 13:19:48 haha 13:21:00 --- join: littletoe (littletoe@sienna5-194.hou.tx.bbnow.net) joined #osdev 13:21:35 hey bigfoot 13:21:37 heh 13:26:08 gREMLiNs: and you have to drop nate37.com and don't take out .com or .org before i give you account :p 13:27:15 whas wrong with me owning .org? 13:27:39 my name and a orgization for kiddie pr0n is not good under my name.... . 13:28:30 oo dont worry 13:28:40 i wont make kidde porn site 13:28:42 :) 13:28:55 NO OLD PEOPLE PORN EITHER 13:28:55 heh 13:29:02 no porn at all 13:29:09 dont have enough disk you know 13:29:10 btw 13:29:16 .org appears untaken 13:29:24 want me to register it before someone else does? 13:29:44 --- join: |Avatar| (Avatar@m004.downs.dave-world.net) joined #osdev 13:30:05 heh 13:30:10 why would i trust you with it? 13:30:15 well 13:30:21 who are you registring it with? 13:30:24 WHOS MONEY? :) 13:31:08 gandi 13:31:08 hmm 13:31:19 Sandra F. Dudley 13:31:23 you know her? 13:31:24 heh 13:31:28 nope 13:31:32 but i'm sure fbi does 13:31:33 heh 13:31:41 but .com was registered with Mark B Beeksma 13:32:07 well damint 13:32:12 unregister it 13:32:13 heh 13:32:17 my name isn't worth the money :p 13:32:20 im afraiddd 13:32:23 ohh 13:32:33 for your name i would give 20$ 13:32:41 :) 13:32:44 heh 13:36:46 --- part: littletoe left #osdev 13:37:19 --- join: AlonzoTG (Alonzo@66-44-66-165.s165.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com) joined #osdev 13:41:26 * air is registering nathanielpinckney.net 13:42:36 shitt 13:42:42 and there is this place that has good bw and will host porn for only $25/mo 13:42:42 how come i didnt think of thatone 13:43:25 and then im gonna spam nate's dad 13:43:25 air: ill register .com and will charge only 24.59 13:44:34 im gonna put a pic of nate on the front page and call it "nathaniel's porn collection" 13:46:41 ohh 13:46:46 that would attract people 13:47:52 well when nate's dad gets that spam for nathanielpinckney.net he isnt gonna delete it, he will definitely go check it out 13:48:15 and when he sees his son's picture next to some naked chick he will flip out 13:48:41 nate37: could u setup a webcam so we can all watch? 13:49:15 im gonna get a pool going as to what he will do 13:50:22 a) kill b) beat c) take computer away 13:52:18 why is nate so silent? 13:54:57 crap crap crap 13:55:04 hmm 13:55:04 ok how do i fix this 13:55:26 when i tell the kernel to reboot it will scan the page table of every object and check the dirty bits 13:55:32 i was downstairs 13:55:43 playing with naked chicks (little chickens :/) 13:55:44 if any object is has dirty pages it will save that object] 13:55:45 heh j/k 13:56:54 the problem is that i dont want threads running while im saving objects 13:57:17 afk 13:58:13 damn u 14:07:05 ? 14:09:12 if i have threads running when brix is rebooting should i save the states and restart them on the next bootup or should i do something else? 14:09:51 hmm that wont work if they have sockets open to another comp 14:12:18 or i could disable fork() and wait for all threads to die off 14:13:17 or call somekinda kill method for each running object 14:13:57 but some thread might have important info stored in its stack variable 14:13:57 s 14:23:39 --- join: jewel (jewel@pta-dial-196-31-187-185.mweb.co.za) joined #osdev 14:27:34 --- quit: |Avatar| () 14:29:46 hmm 14:30:23 air: i dunn 14:30:30 air: how good of persistance do you want :) 14:31:06 anyways really need to go afk 14:31:08 afk 14:31:20 i'd op for saving them 14:43:50 --- quit: gREMLiNs (fuckup) 14:56:01 hey 14:56:36 is the PAL vsync identical to NTSC's vsync? 15:38:33 dunno 15:38:41 --- mode: nate37 set mode: -o nate37 15:39:47 /dev/hda2 1.8G 1.7G 5.4M 100% / 15:39:50 :) 15:48:02 u have 1.8g for /? 15:48:06 yea 15:48:09 i need to shrink windows 15:48:11 why? 15:48:12 and grow linux 15:48:16 umm not sure 15:48:23 some stuff i also need to move over to server 15:48:31 1.8 small right? 15:48:34 shouldnt be 1.8gig 15:48:44 ? 15:48:46 ugh 15:48:49 heh 15:48:49 / shouldnt be 1.8gig 15:48:56 oh 15:49:05 i don't have seperate partitions for different mount points 15:49:07 yet at least 15:49:11 oh 15:49:42 hda1 Boot Primary Win95 FAT32 6020.91 15:49:42 hda4 Primary Linux ext2 [Linux Boot] 8.23 15:49:42 hda2 Primary Linux ext2 2039.87 15:49:42 hda5 Logical Linux ext2 2097.45 15:49:42 hda6 Logical Linux swap 65.81 15:49:53 i have /boot 15:49:55 and that's it 15:49:59 then 2 linux partitions 15:50:01 one for old one 15:50:04 and one for new 15:50:08 heh i have a 512meg swap 15:50:11 i have to get rid of old soon 15:50:11 heh 15:50:18 i never get close to filling up swap 15:50:22 i hardly even swap 15:50:26 at most 3MB :p 15:50:42 Mem: 319900K av, 265188K used, 54712K free, 0K shrd, 14612K buff 15:50:42 Swap: 516056K av, 23268K used, 492788K free 87888K cached 15:50:52 total used free shared buffers cached 15:50:52 Mem: 184568 131476 53092 52124 51420 20204 15:50:52 -/+ buffers/cache: 59852 124716 15:50:52 Swap: 64224 760 63464 15:51:16 air: is the PAL vsync identical to the NTSC vsync? 15:52:02 why does he keep asking me this shit? 15:52:09 heh 15:52:11 sorry 15:52:15 :) 15:52:17 cause you know everything, air 15:52:18 heh 15:52:48 you could say you don't know 15:52:54 trans: don't worry.. error is just.. like that. heh 15:52:57 air 15:53:00 but he is an error 15:53:10 hehe 15:53:56 heh 15:54:07 --- join: adu (andrew@adsl-63-201-89-27.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #osdev 15:54:19 trans: #electronics 15:54:37 oh they have a channel now? 15:54:44 yes 15:54:48 cool 15:54:49 thanks 15:54:53 hi aud 15:54:57 adu sorry 15:56:26 air: not even a bot 15:56:36 no wonder i never saw it before 15:56:40 poo 16:01:30 hey 16:01:36 where the hell does ps2pdf come from? 16:01:49 i can't find it in gs 16:02:10 its not in gs 16:02:15 i told u that last night 16:02:43 [brand@p0wer ~]>> rpm -q --whatprovides ps2pdf 16:02:43 no package provides ps2pdf 16:02:44 see 16:02:55 i installed gs with rpm so it would know 16:03:53 ok 16:04:07 is it default on all linux systems then? 16:04:23 bcuz its not of sourceforge/freshmeat/appwatch either 16:09:45 ps2pdf is a shell script apparently..... hmm 16:10:07 ya 16:12:30 hahahahahaha 16:12:33 theres a www.ps2pdf.com 16:12:41 ya slow as shit 16:17:50 fuck this is all screwed up! 16:18:00 yey i found something 16:18:04 trans: whats wrong? 16:18:33 the datasheet for the rockwell 6502 says rdy halts on all but write cycles 16:18:52 on western design 6502 it says rdy halts on all including write cycles 16:19:17 and it doesn't actually explain R//W on the rockwell ds 16:19:33 use the 6811 16:19:46 which is confusing because there isn't any other pins or anything or poo 16:20:10 ? 16:22:58 * adu not 16:23:02 \/me not 16:23:05 eh? 16:23:21 * adu 16:23:26 dang 16:23:40 hehehe 16:23:58 whatch adu'in 16:24:02 hahahaha 16:24:11 hehehe 16:24:16 i'm trying to make the "/" not be taken as a command 16:24:22 i always haveto make a space 16:24:25 like this: 16:24:27 /me 16:24:41 but other people can do it so theres no space 16:24:47 like this: 16:24:49 \me 16:24:53 only the other way 16:25:01 i've never seen that 16:25:12 /me kicks adu 16:25:14 then how did this happen: 16:25:16 : /nick 16:25:25 /nick 16:25:31 iya 16:25:36 ya 16:25:52 how? 16:26:02 /say /me 16:26:07 /me 16:26:10 oh 16:26:15 cool 16:26:16 /nick 16:26:20 wow 16:26:21 yey! 16:26:24 hehehehehehe 16:26:58 /usr/local/include/linus 16:27:03 hehehehe 16:27:10 i'm dist'apointed in ree 16:27:17 ree? 16:27:17 haha 16:27:22 ree left us 16:27:30 too bad 16:27:37 i'll have to tell him when he comes in 16:27:46 he isnt coming back 16:28:23 he is moving out to his shed and is too depressed to come to this channel 16:28:55 ? 16:28:58 why? 16:29:07 read the logs from last night 16:29:19 lar.cx? 16:29:30 http://bespin.org/~nef/logs/osdev/ 16:30:38 before or after midnight? 16:30:46 todays logs 16:30:51 ok thanks 16:30:55 2am 16:30:56 ish 16:38:17 --- join: tirloni (tirloni@200-191-39-42-as.acessonet.com.br) joined #osdev 16:38:30 hi all 16:43:27 hey 16:45:43 i don't get it 16:45:45 hi lar 16:48:08 Anyone intrested in seeing if osdev.org is intrested in collaboration? 16:48:42 ? 16:48:45 im surethey would 16:49:11 air: As am I. I just wanted to be able to write them saying a number of us were intrested in it. ;) 16:49:38 trans: www.osdev.org is in infancy. I think we should work with them for the #osdev website 16:50:13 oh 16:51:29 --- quit: tirloni ([::] "OK, now let's look at four dimensions on the blackboard." -- Dr. Joy) 16:52:22 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o lar1 16:52:25 --- topic: set to 'Operating System DEVelopment || you guys need to plant a tree, that way you can at least begin to make up for your missuse of oxygen =)' by lar1 16:52:42 hahaha 16:53:10 lar1: we should get some good php scripts going on osdev.org so editors can add/modify content. and then contact some good osdev sites and ask them to become editors 16:53:17 like sabre 16:53:36 Do you have a list of these good osdev sites? 16:53:43 qzx/lib 16:54:32 osdev.com || .org ! .net 16:54:41 Where is sabre? 16:54:56 will my nick expire if i don't log in? 16:55:13 I think so? 16:55:20 /msg nickserv help 16:55:30 good 16:55:37 i forgot my passwd along time ago 16:55:42 30-90 days 16:55:43 heh 16:55:46 maybe 90 16:55:47 Contact lilo? 16:55:55 trans: msg lilo 16:56:02 ? 16:56:08 trans: if u still have the same hostname it should be ok 16:56:16 ? 16:56:29 trans: if he doesnt believe u then have him contact us 16:56:47 why not just wait till it expires 16:56:54 i don't really need it 16:57:10 If the nick is 16:57:10 not used 16:57:11 NOTICE (NickServ s@NickServ) for 30 days, the registration will expire. 16:58:50 what constitutes being used? 16:59:21 identifying 16:59:29 ok good 16:59:57 lar1: http://nondot.org/sabre/os/ 17:00:53 air: Thanks 17:01:33 --- quit: jewel (Ping timeout for jewel[pta-dial-196-31-187-185.mweb.co.za]) 17:01:36 http://www.mega-tokyo.com/os/os-faq.html 17:02:12 i think i need a Tandy 1400 LT laptop 17:02:17 --- join: |Avatar| (Avatar@m014.downs.dave-world.net) joined #osdev 17:02:21 right 17:02:33 as much as i need a hole in my head 17:03:25 heh 17:03:27 http://cdsmith.twu.net/osdesign/ 17:03:30 Hey, |Avatar| 17:04:20 http://www.thesky.demon.co.uk/os-development/index.html 17:05:09 lar1: see if u can get the colors changed on osdev.org 17:05:14 less white 17:05:56 Ok, firing off generic wanna-help-out message to WM 17:06:08 wm? 17:06:12 <|Avatar|> hi 17:06:32 Web Master 17:07:42 lar1: tell him that u are the borg and u want to assimilate his site :) 17:07:59 heh 17:09:01 heh 17:09:07 I come from QZX 17:10:08 Your site is 0wnzed by (\/)4as73r 4ax0r Brand 17:10:34 hmm 17:11:05 did u tell him to drop by here? 17:11:09 (h@ng3 17:11:14 (h@ng3 0r d13! 17:11:32 hmm the site needs a java irc client so they can access this channel 17:11:58 I told him I was from here, we've been thinking about an OSDEV site, have links, papers, ideas, and would be most intrested in colaboration. 17:12:16 Yeah 17:12:19 That would be good 17:13:15 maybe i should learn to PROGRAM smp systems before i design too many 17:13:28 hah 17:14:42 air: compiled java? i have some code i can tweak for that 17:15:17 trans: the kinda java that runs in web browsers 17:15:32 compiled applet java? 17:15:52 yeah i can do that 17:16:10 i dont know anything about java 17:16:17 oh ok 17:16:23 it just needs one of those java irc clients u see on web pages 17:16:33 yay i can bind it :) 17:17:57 how do i add a function, air? 17:18:14 i create an alias but bind keeps saying "no such function 17:18:19 alias functionname { code } 17:18:23 oh 17:18:33 and how do i go to a specifc window? 17:18:42 cause window goto doesn't seem to work 17:18:44 dont know 17:18:51 /window goto 2 17:18:53 ωνω GOTO: Illegal value 17:19:29 --- quit: lar1 (Ping timeout for lar1[adsl-63-203-75-64.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net]) 17:21:00 DAMN 17:21:08 this is a nice floppy programming page 17:21:15 <|Avatar|> url? 17:21:18 wish i had found it before i finished my driver 17:21:22 http://debs.future.easyspace.com/Programming/Hardware/FDC/floppy.html 17:21:40 --- join: nate37_ (nate@cx83983-d.irvn1.occa.home.com) joined #osdev 17:25:44 --- quit: nate37_ (nate37_ has no reason) 17:25:56 --- join: nate37_ (nate@cx83983-d.irvn1.occa.home.com) joined #osdev 17:26:46 he's going to say 17:26:47 works 17:26:48 yay 17:26:50 >:) 17:26:53 (lagged) 17:26:56 works 17:26:58 yay 17:27:08 told ya 17:27:21 why is hardware "Windows Compatable" 17:27:25 isn't that backwards 17:27:39 shouldn't software be designed for the hardware 17:27:42 and not the other way around? 17:37:59 heh 17:38:01 yup 17:38:02 it should 17:38:11 the software runs the damn hardware 17:38:18 does nasm support something like /* */ 17:39:00 nate: what should? 17:39:09 air: don't know 17:39:23 air: why not test it 17:39:38 trans: "win compat" means it comes with a windows driver" 17:40:29 trans: i have something that says linux compat too 17:40:40 well i don't mean win compat necisarily 17:40:48 i mean the stuff that says.... 17:40:57 "Designed for Windows 95" and shit 17:41:03 ya 17:41:09 its marketting 17:41:14 FUCKERS 17:41:21 FUCKERS I TELLS YOU!!! 17:41:35 they write the driver and pay m$ money to license the symbol 17:41:54 why would you WANT your hardware to run win95 17:42:17 yer not gona sell much hardware if it dont work with windows 17:42:19 we must seize control of our own creations!!! 17:42:25 heh 17:42:33 and they don't distrubute specs 17:42:36 paying m$ for that little symbols sells more hardware 17:42:42 to make it hard for other people to write drivers :( 17:42:52 --- quit: nate37_ (nate37_ has no reason) 17:43:01 " ok now i will leave" 17:43:02 heh 17:43:14 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o air 17:43:17 uh oh 17:43:26 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o nate37 17:43:27 --- kick: nate37 was kicked by air (BitchX: C-YA!!) 17:43:27 --- join: nate37 (nate@cx83983-d.irvn1.occa.home.com) joined #osdev 17:43:28 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o nate37 17:43:32 heh 17:43:37 --- mode: nate37 set mode: -o air 17:45:18 anyone wanna work on the ofs driver for brix? 17:45:59 just need to write some code that caches ofs tables 17:46:27 ofs? 17:46:50 brix filesystem 17:46:54 ah 17:52:50 * trans is too stupid 17:55:48 hmm 17:55:59 osdev.org doesnt have links to any good oses 17:56:32 You want a free, complete, original and powerfull OS ? It's not a dream ! 17:56:32 Join our team 17:56:42 how lame 17:59:05 <|Avatar|> awww damnit that was mine :( 17:59:15 what? 17:59:47 <|Avatar|> that os.. 17:59:53 yer french? 17:59:57 <|Avatar|> hehe no 18:00:18 hmm so yer os's web page is written in french? 18:00:24 <|Avatar|> it isn't mine! 18:00:53 heh 18:03:01 --- join: locore (blah@AC87BE60.ipt.aol.com) joined #osdev 18:05:36 hehe 18:05:42 http://www.gaat.freeserve.co.uk/ 18:05:48 i love those screenshots 18:05:49 bbl dinner 18:06:28 heh its cool 18:10:34 Mobius? 18:15:25 --- quit: locore () 18:18:11 --- join: lar1 (lar1@adsl-63-203-75-64.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #osdev 18:18:43 air, could you enum for me once more, why you use asm? 18:21:01 i'm sitting here reading the intel multiprocessor specification... 18:21:52 it implies that the HARDWARE must conform!!! NOT the software 18:21:59 FUCKERS I TELL YOU!!! 18:22:13 it's gone from one end to the other 18:22:29 now software is the only important thing!! 18:22:32 FUCKERS!!!!!!! 18:23:25 Huh? 18:25:31 ? 18:25:34 what don 18:25:40 t you understand 18:25:56 fucking apostraphies 18:27:34 ummm... 18:28:12 only software is considered important just like hardware once was when computers started out 18:28:20 it's gone the opposite way 18:28:28 both are wrong 18:28:54 but i think the software was is worse because software is so dynamic and hardware so static 18:29:47 why should hardware have to be designed to run software when it's easier for software to work with the hardware 18:33:00 --- join: ink (ink@user-vcauvn0.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #osdev 18:33:05 hi ink 18:33:07 YAYAYAYAYAY 18:33:10 hi 18:33:11 * ink got DSL up 18:33:17 hehe 18:33:18 this is the battle of eppin forest dododooddo 18:33:22 how long WAS IT DOWN? 18:33:26 after like 4 days 18:33:36 it got killed friday morning 18:33:40 so that gives you a few minutes before it's down again 18:33:46 hehehehehe 18:34:36 ink... 18:34:53 what do you think should be designed for the other? software or hardware? 18:35:06 ink: i heard about it being down in some areas locally 18:35:08 but hmm 18:35:11 not up there 18:37:02 heh 18:37:07 trans: hmmm 18:39:45 can i say it? 18:39:52 --- join: shx (natalia_X@200.53.168.72) joined #osdev 18:39:54 ? 18:40:06 ink: Q2? 18:40:07 heh 18:40:09 not right now 18:40:11 anyways 18:40:17 boy scouts soon 18:40:27 you? 18:40:31 hi everybody 18:40:34 hi 18:40:46 heh 18:40:48 hey 18:40:55 nate37: sure, maybe later 18:41:05 ink: i didn't think it was that difficult a question 18:41:09 I gotta reboot and put a mouse in, I just set up my box from going to lar's house 18:41:12 heh i was kidding 18:41:17 i just had to say it :p 18:41:36 and I needed files of this box to get the other box working :) 18:42:46 inky stinky 18:42:51 grr 18:42:54 heh 18:42:56 stinky inky 18:43:01 grrrr 18:43:07 heeheehee 18:43:47 nate: what about you? 18:43:53 what do you think? 18:44:21 oh yeah, that 18:44:30 depends on what you want to do 18:44:42 i mean in general 18:44:49 all around well rounded system? or something like commercial 3D rendering 18:45:18 like OSes mostly 18:45:28 should the OS be written for the hardware 18:45:34 or the hardware designed for the OS 18:45:37 --- nick: adu -> adu-back 18:45:41 hi adu 18:45:45 hey 18:45:59 * ink does a HEY HEY HEY like fat albert :) 18:46:04 the computer should be designed so it works. 18:46:10 hehehe 18:46:12 haha 18:46:17 hey 18:46:26 i whent to choir 18:46:37 Alonoz: what do you think? seriously? 18:46:49 and you adu 18:47:03 about what? 18:47:15 --- nick: adu-back -> adu 18:47:15 brb 18:47:18 what do you think should be designed for the other? software or hardware? 18:47:18 --- quit: ink ([BX] OH SHIT!\7) 18:47:43 If the *USER* can tell how the designer answered that question then the designer failed. 18:47:58 ? 18:48:00 huh? 18:48:11 adu: huh to who? 18:48:13 o o o o o 18:48:16 ic 18:48:26 just a sec i was confused, but i get it, let me think 18:48:48 hw4sw 18:49:02 seriously? 18:49:05 ya 18:49:10 like... 18:49:16 should the OS be written for the hardware 18:49:22 or the hardware designed for the OS 18:49:35 --- join: ink (ink@user-vcauvn0.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #osdev 18:49:42 hey all (again) 18:49:44 :) 18:49:46 hi 18:49:47 i mean part of engineering is making physical laws obey you're desires that you want to do with them, not just seeing what you can do with nature 18:50:03 o thats different 18:50:11 I think none 18:50:18 why? 18:50:22 OSs by definition are designed for hw 18:50:35 not windows 18:50:44 eh? really? 18:50:52 i'm just reading the intel MP specification 18:50:55 what id win designed 4? 18:50:56 'cause if hw developers design for OS's then you end with something like winmodems. 18:51:25 all it is saying and implying is that the hardware should be designed for shrink wrapped OSes and shit 18:51:58 jeez 18:51:59 <|Avatar|> hmm.. neither should be designed for each other.. if software is designed for hardware it is too limiting if hardware is designed for software it kills competition and brings crappy products 18:52:01 exactly 18:52:20 we must repent!!! 18:52:30 no 18:53:04 i think its a confusing argument, becuz each is designed differently 18:53:09 av: when i mean sw for hw i don't mean specifics necisarily 18:53:39 everybody: don't you think its a confusing argument? 18:53:41 one must be designed for the other or you'd have hw with no sw and sw that runs on nothin 18:53:57 lets define what we're talking about 18:54:01 its the wrong ontology. 18:54:03 adu: wich one? 18:54:16 al: ? 18:54:20 shx: ? 18:54:23 <|Avatar|> then given that software should be designed for hardware (with all hardware in mind) because the other way just doesn't work in this world 18:54:23 define "hw","sw", and "design" 18:54:32 its the wrong way of looking at things, the wrong system of logic. 18:54:38 yay! 18:54:44 well... 18:54:54 i am just inquiring 18:54:59 device drivers should be designed for hw. 18:55:06 I think they both have to kinda progress together 18:55:07 for my own revolutionary purposes 18:55:24 trans: do you agree that CISC is hw4sw and RISC is sw4hw? 18:55:29 like dos was written for teh 8088 and then the hardware upgraded, then dos upgraded to meet it 18:55:32 yeah but what the "industry" is trying to push is bs 18:55:42 then software upgrades with things like quake and now we have 3d cards 18:55:49 so both have to work with each other 18:55:56 ink: i agree 18:56:00 trans: define "hw","sw", and "design" 18:56:04 heh 18:56:04 adu: what do you mean? 18:56:10 well, just "design" 18:56:27 what do YOU mean by designed for? 18:56:34 conform to what the other sets 18:56:45 no 18:56:54 i think that each is there to provide what the other can't 18:56:56 like hardware that is MADE to run with certain hardware 18:57:13 and sw that is MADE to run on certain hw 18:57:26 heh, all sw is made for hw 18:57:32 I don't think 3D games were designed to 3D cards, just had that in mind, it's indirect. 18:57:49 heh 18:58:02 no, first came wolf3d, no 3d cards 18:58:05 adu: not true 18:58:05 then doom 18:58:06 in the end, everything is made for HW 18:58:07 and quake 18:58:14 and around then they started the 3d cards 18:58:20 now you cannot run Q3 w/o one 18:58:23 so you see 18:58:27 it does relate 18:58:27 trans: how not tru? 18:58:52 "industry" is trying to push a "only software is important" attitude 18:59:10 om 18:59:17 programmers... 18:59:20 * AlonzoTG is an *engineer*. 18:59:24 fuckers is what they are 18:59:26 hahaha 18:59:37 * trans is an everything man 18:59:53 do you see that CISC is a form of making hw4sw? 19:00:13 adu: i don't quite see how that works 19:00:15 bcuz CISC implements many more instructions than RISC, it allows the sw to do more in less 19:00:27 trans: then tell me what you mean by "designed for" 19:00:39 i did 19:00:44 sw is made to be run on hw, hw is made to run sw 19:00:54 shut up you stupid morons... 19:00:54 =\ 19:00:56 when one is already in existance and the other is made to conform 19:01:10 my definition of "designed for" is that HW designed for SW implements more of SW's functions, and sw4hw impplements everything that HW doesn't 19:01:30 YOU STUPID DUMB-ASS MORONS, SHUT UP!!! 19:01:52 adu: well if that were true then both should be designed for eachother i agree 19:02:01 then i would haveto still say that SW is designed for HW 19:02:11 but what is wrong is it isn't even though it should be 19:02:16 fuck that... its all wrong!!!! 19:02:17 =\ 19:02:22 heh 19:02:28 wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong!!! 19:02:34 Alonzo: quite you 19:02:40 you mean quiet? 19:02:46 yes 19:02:46 * shx haves to agree with AlonzoTG 19:02:49 thank you ink 19:02:54 :) 19:02:59 haves? 19:03:02 you mean has? 19:03:02 if you don't want to listen then fuck off 19:03:04 simple as that 19:03:06 trans: so do you see how you can think that they are both designed for eachother? 19:03:14 ink: hmm, I think 19:03:16 yeah 19:03:18 Its not about software 19:03:18 heh 19:03:20 adu: never doubted it 19:03:21 Its not about hardware. 19:03:26 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o air 19:03:31 adu: but in my def. of design... 19:03:33 hahaha 19:03:36 --- kick: AlonzoTG was kicked by air ( YOU STUPID DUMB-ASS MORONS, SHUT UP!!!) 19:03:41 lol 19:03:52 YAY FOR DIVINE RETREBUTION! 19:03:56 hahaha 19:03:59 MESSAGE (AlonzoTG Alonzo@66-44-66-165.s165.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com) fuck 19:03:59 you, you never understood anything... 19:04:06 trans: i really gotta goto dinner 19:04:13 oh k 19:04:14 lets talk about this later 19:04:15 bye 19:04:18 k 19:04:18 ciaoskis 19:04:23 --- nick: adu -> adu-dinnnnnn 19:04:23 i shower in that case 19:04:32 --- nick: trans -> transwash 19:04:42 heh 19:04:44 you never heard me, was I saying stupidities? 19:05:07 Im everywhere but you cannot see meeeee!!! 19:05:13 yay for sounds of /. 19:05:37 * ink was singing that earlier today during a game of perfect dark whenever I was cloaked :) 19:05:58 Im sure nate knows what Im talking about :) 19:06:06 yay for the sounds of /.! 19:06:48 ink: u gonna help with the osdev site? 19:06:59 sure 19:07:08 * ink has WAY too much fun writing CGIs 19:07:38 ok write a good web based irc interface 19:07:38 and designing sites etc 19:07:45 okies 19:07:51 does it need to be able to talk? 19:07:54 and a message board thingy 19:08:02 and something to let editors create/upload/modify documents 19:08:08 or just dump a screen of the room when the page has loaded 19:08:14 heh, okay 19:08:33 do we have a domain? 19:08:45 and the message posts and articles should be searchable 19:08:53 we are gonna assimilate osdev.org 19:09:06 assimilate? 19:09:11 does it exist? 19:09:18 yes 19:09:21 go there 19:09:24 hmm, who is paying? 19:09:45 I'm looking at it right now 19:10:11 me too 19:10:33 grr 19:10:45 stupid fricken yahho is accessing my smtp server 19:11:13 hahaha 19:11:18 1.4meg so far 19:11:50 ok how do i add a ban 19:13:55 /mode +b hostname iirc 19:13:58 erm 19:14:02 what was the command to kill email being sent 19:14:06 /mode #osdev +b..... 19:14:15 not irc ban 19:14:19 oh 19:14:25 what kinda ban? 19:14:27 an email got sent from computer here 19:14:36 i know there is a queue thingy 19:14:41 and i can kill the email 19:14:44 --- nick: adu-dinnnnnn -> adu 19:14:48 hey again 19:14:58 huy 19:15:23 whats up? 19:15:41 where did trans go? 19:16:15 oops 19:16:16 i just don't understand how HW can be desiugned for SW 19:16:23 accidently knocked over DSL modem :/ 19:16:38 ya right it says he's washing something 19:16:57 heh 19:17:00 himself 19:17:01 how can HW b made 4 SW? 19:17:04 o 19:17:10 he is taking a shower 19:18:22 can any1 thing of a better domain name than brix-os? 19:18:31 i don't really see why its such a big deal, its too confusing 19:18:58 air: come up with a company name 19:18:58 www.brix-anti-os.com 19:19:14 PiSig gets me lots of free stuff 19:19:22 it's nice being a PiSig Chairman :) 19:19:23 ink: company name? 19:19:26 yeah 19:19:29 make up a company 19:19:34 i already have one 19:19:36 :) 19:19:43 * ink has PiSig :) 19:19:51 hence pisig.cx 19:19:51 ink: im ceo of qzx 19:19:55 * adu has OutBright 19:20:09 ink: atleast thats what all the snail mail i get says 19:20:11 air: then qzx.com would be good 19:20:30 adu: reminds me of lightbright :P 19:20:47 try the site, it looks awful 19:20:57 i hate freeservers 19:21:20 ink: but im gonna register domain names 19:21:29 okay. hmmm.... 19:21:38 and brix.* is taken 19:21:46 I see 19:22:02 air: what about .cx and other contries? 19:22:42 brizos.net? 19:22:43 erm] 19:22:46 brixos 19:22:53 brixos or brix-os 19:23:00 .net/com/org 19:23:01 yeah 19:23:05 or both 19:23:09 only $10/yr. 19:28:27 brixos. net/tv/ws/cc are available 19:29:03 brix-os.com is available 19:30:17 go for it 19:31:06 --- quit: ink (BitchX-1.0c16 -- just do it.) 19:32:08 --- nick: transwash -> trans 19:32:18 * trans is washed 19:32:52 i'd pick brixos.tv 19:32:57 trans! 19:33:01 adu! 19:33:04 :) 19:33:12 =? 19:33:18 trans: so comform to the other? 19:33:26 isn't that a given? 19:33:35 ? 19:33:39 but design means more than just implement what the other doesn't...' 19:33:48 * adu is trying to engange the argument again 19:33:53 i know 19:34:03 but conform? 19:34:20 whwn i said design i meant... 19:34:43 --- join: ink (ink@user-vcauvn0.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #osdev 19:34:50 *oops* 19:35:27 oh fuck what i meant 19:36:28 mm? 19:38:05 adu: ? 19:39:00 ya? 19:39:36 well you wanna conv again? 19:39:41 sure 19:40:01 i'm really interested in your thouts on this issue 19:40:08 gh 19:40:12 heh 19:43:33 trans? 19:43:52 i want to understand where you're comming, from 19:44:00 how can hw be designed for sw? 19:44:14 i don't understand how this is possible 19:45:35 heh 19:53:23 damn thats kewl 19:54:15 hmm? 19:54:18 i filled out my info on gandi and it told me that .org and .com were also free and let me register all 3 in one registration 19:55:11 nice 19:57:05 know of any good places to buy cd's online? 19:57:27 no, can't say I do 19:57:58 good = not invloved in any boycotts, secure, and have low prices 19:58:15 heh 19:59:22 fuck i'm sorry 20:00:04 * ink wants to get a T-Shirt that has the Trix rabbit on it with a pill or a tab in on his tongue that has a caption reading "Silly rabbit, trips are for kids" 20:00:33 hahaha 20:01:09 :) 20:01:33 * ink compiles 2.2.18 on his server 20:02:15 why?!?! 20:02:25 'cause it's better than 2.2.13 :P 20:02:36 2.4.2 20:02:41 bah 20:03:00 i dont care what any1 says about 2.4.x 20:03:08 i have 2.4.1 running stable 20:03:56 only had one mysterious crash 20:04:11 heh cool 20:04:26 There is a problem with my ide chipset 20:04:28 it died in its sleep 20:04:55 heh 20:04:55 i think it has to do with my cd changer 20:05:01 stop going into sleep mode :P 20:05:11 i have disabled apm 20:05:30 heehee 20:05:30 it died in its sleep 20:05:32 cuz when it went into apm it would run my alarm clock script 20:05:41 wouldnt 20:05:59 but my cd changer has been acting funny lately 20:06:10 it doesnt play the entire track 20:06:24 heh 20:06:26 it will be playing the song and suddenly change tracks 20:06:34 hahaha 20:06:35 weird 20:06:51 ah too fast 20:06:54 might be dying, dirty or maybe 2.4.x has a bug 20:07:03 adu: what were you saying 20:10:10 "What you say!" 20:10:19 all your base are belong to us 20:10:36 I thinks its funny how all the voices are synthed 20:10:53 you have no chance to survive make your time! 20:11:03 someone set us up the bomb! 20:11:32 All your code are belong to us 20:11:36 --- quit: |Avatar| () 20:11:56 what is with u guys and that phrase? 20:12:13 bbl 20:12:15 hah 20:12:17 pizza 20:12:27 --- nick: ink -> ink|pizza 20:13:03 http://www.iarchitect.com/mshame.htm 20:13:04 hehehehehe 20:14:22 hahah gandi gives discounts if u buy 500 domains at a time 20:14:47 * air thinks of 500 domain names 20:22:30 ajkroll][: did you mentioned the problem I told you with the SiS driver? 20:29:42 air: How does your compiler check to make sure programs don't scribble on memory they shouldn't? 20:30:05 hmm 20:30:41 who is the ceo of m$ today 20:31:20 airipoo? 20:31:22 could some1 please answer 20:31:34 Billy Bob 20:31:41 no 20:31:42 Now learn me more BRiX 20:34:18 lar1: programs cant generate pointers 20:34:34 lar1: they can only get pointers from valid variables 20:35:06 and everything has strong typing 20:36:25 what's strong typing? 20:37:34 How are varibles validated? 20:40:51 casting in C is loose tping 20:41:38 Srong Typing, Meaning a variable of type INT is an INT, and stays an INT until the cycle it dies? :) 20:42:02 yes 20:43:02 Isn't that somewhat bad? 20:43:07 hmm, Java is trong typing? 20:43:22 how is it bad? 20:43:31 it generates better code 20:43:46 Is there *any* way to convert say, an int to a float? 20:43:47 yep 20:43:50 it takes away some things that lazy programmers take for granted but it produces better code 20:44:07 there are just memory 20:44:16 Hrmm 20:44:29 Accually, I can't think of a scenero where you'd *have* to 20:44:29 and types do have conversion methods 20:44:38 How do these differ from casts? 20:45:00 they just do 20:45:21 u can cast an INT to a pointer 20:45:26 u cant in brix 20:46:18 Ok, so how does int foo; float bar; bar=foo.toFloat; work? 20:47:07 tofloat will convert the int into a float 20:47:17 er 20:47:25 it doesnt convert 20:47:31 it outputs the conversion 20:47:36 the int stays an int 20:47:42 Right, how does that work? :P 20:47:53 same way it does in c 20:48:03 How does that work, then? 20:48:25 it will generate roughly the same code that bar=(float)foo; would 20:48:57 Yes, I understand that. What *IS* the generated code? Could you provide an example toFloat() method? 20:49:19 --- quit: trans (Ping timeout for trans[209.53.48.74]) 20:49:21 the language has no support for floats yet 20:49:35 float is in the spec but i dont handle them yet 20:49:44 Ok, an example of a to() method 20:50:03 it will support both small software floats and fpu floats 20:51:04 byte:int8 word:int16 byte=word.toByte(0) //output the lower byte of word 20:51:09 air: you don't like Intel's way to do things right? 20:51:20 do u need help generating asm code for that? 20:51:35 shx: no 20:53:15 That doesn't explain how toByte works 20:53:18 Just how to use it 20:53:30 and the nice thing is that toByte can do much more than a cast can do 20:56:07 Hmm, I think a cast is expactly the same, just written on a different way 20:56:38 Wait 20:56:59 toByte is a *directieve* or an honest-to-void *method*? 20:57:01 air: so brix is C based? 20:57:09 shx: no 20:58:04 Sorry, I have an assembler mind. 20:58:04 lar1: int is a primitive type and toByte is a prmitive method 20:58:16 lar1: but u can add real methods to primitive types 20:58:18 Ah 20:58:32 lar1: primitive methods arent real methods 20:58:35 So you couldn't express toByte in user code, yes? 20:58:48 (I believe that's the *idea*) 20:58:49 no 20:58:56 toByte is just asm 20:59:09 Can I see it? 20:59:17 it dont exist 20:59:41 back 21:00:53 But I wonder how you avoid that a program accesses memory it shouldn't 21:01:07 air: Can you generate smth like it now? 21:01:11 it will just be something like xor eax,eax ; mov al,[theint]; mov [thebyte],al 21:01:12 shx 21:01:24 You don't allow the program to accuire the bad pointer int eh first place 21:01:41 shx: u can pass pointers around but u can edit them 21:02:11 How does the compiler know what methods can supply valid pointers? 21:02:16 Is that too a primitive? 21:02:25 any method can 21:02:43 air: I will do an asm program that will do that. :) 21:02:50 that is where the strong typing comes in 21:03:23 er, s/can edit/ cant edit/ 21:04:15 the inputs or outputs to a method will have a pointer primitive someMethod(a:int):*int 21:04:41 so it will only accept an int value and only output a pointer to an int 21:05:01 if the return() does not reference a pointer to an int it will not compile 21:05:11 air: you are talking about your compiler, I'm not 21:05:34 shx: im answering lar's question 21:05:35 air: You've lost me 21:05:42 How does the compiler know what methods can supply valid pointers? 21:06:08 someMethod returns a *int? 21:06:12 How can it? 21:06:19 *int means int pointer 21:06:25 Right 21:06:36 How can it create apointer? 21:07:04 many ways 21:08:00 ... 21:10:50 Our sysadmins made a change to PHP4 today on jupiter, at 11:54 AM 21:11:10 when u read that would u say that they upgraded to php version 4.x? 21:11:33 Yes... 21:11:51 maybe phpinfo() is just confused cuz it still says 3.0.12 21:12:32 How does someMethod create a pointer? Could you enumerate? 21:13:52 it could clone an int 21:14:37 it could get a pointer to an int slot in some object 21:14:57 Then what stops: int foo; foo=0x123456 someMethod(foo); int * someMethod (int foo) { return foo; }? 21:15:42 foo is local 21:16:06 Sure 21:16:13 You can't return locals? 21:16:14 cant return pointers to locals 21:16:26 u can return contents but not pointers 21:16:42 How does someMethod make a pointer, then? 21:20:11 someText::text ; someText = __text_template__.clone ; return(someText) 21:20:37 :: is the real way to make pointers 21:20:54 what does the :: operator dd, and I assume clone is a primitive method? 21:21:12 clone is a kernel call 21:21:19 How does it work? 21:21:23 disguised as a primitive method 21:21:44 clone takes any existing object and makes a copy of it 21:22:02 cuz u cant "create" objects 21:23:24 So I assume you start with a primitive 'object,' from which all other objects are 'cloned?' 21:37:01 well, I htg, gnites. 21:37:20 night 21:37:37 --- quit: shx () 21:38:45 WOW 21:38:48 i love gnome 21:39:21 --- nick: ink|pizza -> ink 21:39:27 I hate gnome 21:39:34 hey all 21:39:38 wb ink 21:39:41 extra unnessessay bloat 21:39:44 adu: you are just asking to be flamed, aye? 21:39:49 hey nate 21:40:59 hmm 21:41:05 heh 21:42:07 ajkroll: why? 21:42:24 gnome isn't bloat 21:42:30 ya it is 21:42:35 PWM FOREVER! 21:42:48 PI IS EXACTLY 3! 21:42:51 heeheehee 21:42:57 gnome apps are about 3 times KDE apps, but that doesn't mean they don't have 3 times the functionality 21:43:04 the simpsons are muy funny 21:43:06 size rather 21:43:23 pi = 3 21:43:24 heh :P 21:43:25 heh 21:43:39 air: pi3.net 21:43:40 :P 21:45:39 Doesn't resolbve 21:46:48 nono 21:46:54 air should get pi3.net :) 21:47:06 oic 21:47:07 hmm, I am thinking maybe I should get it 21:47:18 and come up with a crackheaded theory of why pi is exactly 3 21:48:53 so, whats up? 21:51:57 * ink is happy: TTP boots :) 21:52:00 loads kernel 21:52:03 loads ints 21:52:12 however, if you try to use an int, it breaks 21:52:16 oh well, it loads! 21:52:18 yay 21:52:26 * ink yells at the idt 21:53:09 maype you're sbelling it wrong 21:53:40 heh 21:54:01 * ink = tired 21:55:01 wtf 21:55:12 mm? 21:55:31 phpnotify wasnt sending confirmation emails cuz my isp busted php 21:55:38 hahaha 21:55:48 busted php? 21:55:56 they fixed it today but now phpnotify wont subscribe the emails 21:56:07 heh 21:56:15 the php mail() function was working but it wasnt sending email 21:57:24 and i just blasted off confirm emails to everyone that attempted to subscribe while it was busted 21:57:30 and now they are gonna get a busted page 21:57:59 this shit was ll working just fine when i installed it 21:59:01 heh 21:59:08 --- quit: air (varley.openprojects.net sagan.openprojects.net) 21:59:08 --- quit: lar1 (varley.openprojects.net sagan.openprojects.net) 21:59:08 --- quit: nate37 (varley.openprojects.net sagan.openprojects.net) 21:59:08 --- quit: ajkroll][ (varley.openprojects.net sagan.openprojects.net) 21:59:08 --- quit: adu (varley.openprojects.net sagan.openprojects.net) 21:59:09 --- quit: ink (varley.openprojects.net sagan.openprojects.net) 21:59:16 --- join: air (brand@p0wer.qzx.com) joined #osdev 21:59:16 --- join: nate37 (nate@cx83983-d.irvn1.occa.home.com) joined #osdev 21:59:16 --- join: ajkroll][ (oldfart@dr.ea.ms) joined #osdev 21:59:16 --- join: adu (andrew@adsl-63-201-89-27.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #osdev 21:59:16 --- join: lar1 (lar1@adsl-63-203-75-64.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #osdev 21:59:16 --- join: ink (ink@user-vcauvn0.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #osdev 21:59:16 --- mode: barnes.openprojects.net set mode: +oo air nate37 21:59:29 u should use it on yer own page 21:59:43 heh 21:59:54 brb: rebooting server - new kernel 21:59:55 :) 21:59:58 "God created man likewise to himself. Then He has a penis. I dare not wonder what was the devine use of it during the eternity before he created the world." - Fare 22:00:01 then u can send updates to yer subscribers when u make changes to ttp 22:00:02 --- quit: ink (changing kernels) 22:00:56 --- join: tranzzz (trans@209.53.48.74) joined #osdev 22:05:22 --- join: ink (ink@user-vcauvi4.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #osdev 22:05:29 rehi 22:05:32 new kernel == no go :( 22:05:43 if it cannot load my net card, it ain't good enough 22:05:56 hmm, where does one get kernel source? 22:06:20 re 22:06:23 kernel org 22:06:26 yup 22:06:31 cool 22:06:38 2.4 also required new modutils et al 22:06:42 all on kernel.org 22:06:51 heh 22:10:53 function searchfile($file, $phrase){ 22:10:53 if($fp=fopen($file, "r")){ 22:10:53 $phrase2 = chop(fgets($fp, 1024)); 22:10:53 while(!empty($phrase2)){ 22:10:53 if("$phrase2" == "$phrase"){ fclose($fp); return 1; } 22:10:54 $phrase2 = chop(fgets($fp, 1024)); 22:10:56 } 22:10:58 fclose($fp); 22:11:00 return 0; 22:11:02 } 22:11:04 return -1; 22:11:06 } 22:11:21 crap 22:13:05 hehehe 22:13:35 ok well phpnotify is working again 22:13:47 second problem was my fault :( 22:14:03 ink: u should put it on ttp 22:14:35 air: did you know ink's "devine site of all time" award is on the /. awards page? :) 22:14:47 yup 22:14:49 heeheehee 22:14:50 :) 22:14:55 eh? 22:15:00 it is cool, I sent an email to mr. taco 22:15:04 :) 22:15:21 heh 22:15:32 meeeestar towl coal 22:15:38 heh 22:15:45 mr. malda 22:15:50 rob malda... . 22:16:47 heh 22:16:53 nate37: lay off the vodka :P 22:17:41 heh 22:17:44 thats lame 22:18:00 what is? 22:18:05 * nate37 drinks more whiskey 22:18:30 i think i have been drugged 22:19:15 quick, whats the number for 911 22:19:16 hahaha 22:19:25 and who would drug you? 22:19:40 someone on the m$ payroll 22:20:38 hehehe 22:20:55 * ink ponders sleep 22:21:04 * nate37 /me yells at ink! no! 22:21:08 * air ponders suicide 22:21:09 * nate37 q2 at some time 8) 22:21:15 /me/me?? 22:21:16 hmm 22:21:18 heh 22:21:27 * nate37 /me yups 22:21:30 * nate37 why? 22:21:31 heh 22:21:36 * ink == tired 22:21:47 heh 22:21:55 everything keeps going blury and im dizzy 22:21:58 heh 22:21:59 /ctcp ACTION foo 22:22:16 nope 22:22:19 describe :) 22:22:22 and the brain tumor is hurting again 22:22:24 it is a way of doing it 22:22:28 * nate37 thinks this looks cool too 22:22:29 hehehehehe 22:22:32 ri-iii-ight 22:22:49 air: and your elephant hand is acting up again? 22:23:20 elephant hand? 22:23:54 heh 22:24:04 whatever that disese is called 22:24:11 where things like grow big 22:24:12 heh 22:24:59 * lar1 ponders suicide 22:25:16 uh-oh 22:25:26 heh 22:25:42 everything keeps going sharp and im steady 22:25:48 * ink falls asleep in his chair 22:25:51 ? 22:25:56 * nate37 shakes int 22:25:58 ink 22:26:01 to wake him up 22:26:01 int? where? 22:26:06 heehee 22:26:13 and the brain tumor is gone again 22:26:14 lar1: you were saying? 22:26:37 ink 22:26:41 * air kicks lar1 22:26:46 Didn't you pick up, on the joke? :P 22:27:06 in the sharp/steady comment? 22:27:18 which is that to whoch I was referring 22:27:19 air: Your world is as blurry as you've cancerous cells. 22:27:27 hahaha 22:27:41 heh 22:27:58 lar1: don't pick on a cripple :p 22:27:58 hehe 22:28:07 heh 22:28:16 heh 22:28:21 ya u prick 22:28:45 yay! 22:28:46 the top of my spine is swelling and it makes me dizzy 22:28:58 * ink just remembered that it is almost tuesday :) 22:29:12 heh 22:29:13 and if u were here i would eat something so i could vomit all over u 22:29:20 haha 22:29:28 I think he's drunk off his ass 22:29:30 :P 22:29:31 and he'd come crawling after you 22:29:35 ppl dont like being vomitted on 22:29:38 heh 22:29:42 normal ppl :p 22:29:54 i know cuz i vomitted on someone in school and they never got near me again 22:29:58 i'm actually starting to think he's drunk too hmm 22:30:06 hahaha 22:30:39 "totally unrelated to the vomiting tho" 22:30:43 *YAAAAAAAWN* 22:30:46 heh 22:30:50 --- join: phylon (youngs@c966965-a.salem1.or.home.com) joined #osdev 22:30:55 hey nate37 22:30:56 y0 22:31:02 heeheehee 22:31:14 umm 22:31:14 hi 22:31:20 why'd you single me out? 22:31:25 hi ink, didn't see you :) 22:31:29 heh 22:31:35 no lar nor air? 22:31:38 nate37 : I talked to you a while back 22:31:43 ahhh 22:31:45 about what? 22:32:21 [air(brand@p0wer.qzx.com)] he wants to download some porn 22:32:23 I don't remember, I'm too tired to think 22:32:23 umm? 22:32:42 * ink ponders sleep some more 22:32:51 * nate37 wants to know where air meets these ppl heh 22:33:02 #osdev hehehehehe 22:33:07 heh 22:33:09 --- quit: ajkroll][ (barnes.openprojects.net adams.openprojects.net) 22:33:15 heh 22:33:23 sleeeeeeep! 22:33:26 NO 22:33:29 q2 soon 8) 22:33:29 my bed is calling me 22:33:38 phylon: u have q2? 22:33:52 "iiinkeyyyyyy iiiiiiiinkeeeyyyyyy" 22:33:58 air : quake 2? yeah 22:34:04 serious? 22:34:08 u any good? 22:34:14 umm 22:34:15 "When you pirate MP3s, you're downloading communism!" 22:34:16 --- join: ajkroll][ (oldfart@dr.ea.ms) joined #osdev 22:34:22 Lets go d/l some communism! 22:34:37 "When you pay for MP3s, you're rockin' out with da man" 22:35:05 air : I like to think so, I do better in single player though :( 22:35:07 * ink needs to go on a date with either the bed or the coffee machiene 22:35:15 got any linkonpark mp3s? 22:35:25 nope 22:35:32 never heard of said group 22:35:38 never?!?!?! 22:35:41 nope 22:35:56 u havent heard of them??? 22:36:07 * ink re-iterates: nope 22:36:09 they are the inspiration for the last CA shooting 22:36:15 hahaha 22:36:30 crawling? 22:36:36 u havent heard that? 22:36:41 nope 22:36:49 u poor child 22:36:50 --- join: negotive (youngs@c966965-a.salem1.or.home.com) joined #osdev 22:37:01 --- quit: phylon (BitchX: treats external genital warts!) 22:37:02 hmm 22:37:09 --- nick: negotive -> phylon 22:37:24 *yaaaaaaaahhhh aaawwwwnnnnnn* 22:37:28 neg: so have u ever played against ppl u dont know? 22:38:06 air: nope, my cable connection has been very slow lately 22:38:17 not as slow as mine 22:38:23 * ink proclaims himself "Out." 22:38:26 night all 22:38:36 --- kick: ink was kicked by air (BYE!) 22:38:36 --- join: ink (ink@user-vcauvi4.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #osdev 22:38:41 * ink notes it is last call on the train to sleepy-ville 22:38:43 --- mode: air set mode: -o air 22:38:52 night all 22:38:54 phylon: wanna play? 22:38:56 --- nick: ink -> ink|slp 22:39:38 air: I can't, I just got a new hard drive, and my games haven't made it onto it yet :( 22:39:55 hmm 22:40:19 sorry 22:40:52 heh 22:41:02 better start cp'ing now 22:41:39 i need to find someone to train nate 22:42:15 heh 22:42:30 nate37: try out the eraser bots, they are great fun :) 22:43:56 xaero is the fun one 22:44:11 on nightmare skill 22:44:32 spend a few hours with him everyday and u will get good 22:45:23 I had one for Q1 where they would all camp around the quad, and shoot you when ever you try to get it 22:45:36 I'll check out xaero when Q2 gets installed 22:46:42 xaero is quake3 22:47:23 oh, never mind :) 22:48:28 hmm, have any you guys coded an image viewer before? 22:49:23 i did a gif one 22:49:59 I'm trying png, did you use windows for it? 22:51:20 I am wondering if you had to decode the image into a bmp, then show it in the window? 22:51:50 i dont know how windows works 22:52:06 u should just be able to create a window that u can draw pixels in 22:52:27 ok 22:52:28 with gif i decoded a line at a time and displayed the pixels for the line 22:52:39 oh, that may work 22:53:08 I'm writing a shell for windows, and I want the users to be able to use something other than bmp 22:53:13 thanks 22:53:19 im not sure how png works but if its like gif then u can do that, if its like jpeg then u have to decode something like 8 lines 22:53:46 a shell? 22:54:14 ok 22:54:36 a shell is the interface for windows, it's like a window manager in linux 22:54:51 my shell is going to look somewhat like windowmaker when it's completed 22:55:10 i know what a shell is 22:55:21 but what does it have to do with bmp? 22:56:29 windows can only work with bmp, so all over formats will have to be converted 22:59:52 it's late, I'm off to bed, later guys 22:59:54 --- quit: phylon (Client Exiting) 23:23:06 hmm 23:24:01 ok im gonna find some place to make brix shirts and hats and stuff and then when brix is ready i can sell cdroms and that stuff on brix-os.com 23:24:20 and then brix-os.net will have brix downloads 23:24:30 and what should brix-os.org have? 23:24:40 heh 23:24:41 research 23:24:45 on OS dev 23:24:50 to make brix better 23:24:59 hmm 23:25:02 and the "help air not be a cripple" foundation :) 23:44:31 omg the config files let you do amazing things... 23:45:00 ? 23:59:59 --- log: ended osdev/01.03.12