00:00:00 --- log: started squeak/06.06.22 00:01:53 --- join: gcorriga (n=gcorriga@host171-86.pool876.interbusiness.it) joined #squeak 00:12:51 --- join: Lethalman (n=lethalma@host52-162.pool80104.interbusiness.it) joined #squeak 00:16:07 --- part: Lethalman left #squeak 00:16:43 hi 00:18:29 moo 00:19:50 --- join: bit` (n=bit@202.152.170.106) joined #squeak 00:35:37 --- join: matley (n=matley@matley.imati.cnr.it) joined #squeak 01:00:51 --- join: Skal (n=skal@ADijon-151-1-103-166.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #squeak 01:04:02 --- quit: Craig () 01:12:02 --- quit: Eripmav (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:15:24 --- join: Eripmav (i=Eripmav@unaffiliated/eripmav) joined #squeak 01:37:44 --- quit: efc ("Knowing when to leave may be the smartest thing anyone can learn.") 02:10:48 --- join: Eugenius (n=eugenius@gw.key-soft.net) joined #squeak 02:11:03 Hi all 02:11:20 hi 02:11:23 Can someone help me with FFI? 02:13:05 I'm trying to use lame_enc.dll (LAME MP3 encoder), but Squeak crashes wharever I try. 02:13:16 whatever 02:16:00 So, noone? 02:16:43 Eugenius: I have to reboot; wait until I come back 02:17:17 OK 02:20:09 --- quit: gcorriga ("Sei contento, Skrick?") 02:24:50 --- join: gcorriga (n=gcorriga@host171-86.pool876.interbusiness.it) joined #squeak 02:24:57 re 02:25:07 re 02:25:12 Eugenius: so what's the problem? 02:27:52 Here is my apicall: . When I'm calling it - VM crashes. I think, the problem is in these long* values. The worst is that 'beInitStream' returns values there, and those should bu used in next steps. 02:28:45 I can put the code, how I call it. I also can put the fields of BeConfig. Is it OK? 02:34:32 ? 02:35:22 --- join: cDlm (n=cDlm@nat2.esia.univ-savoie.fr) joined #squeak 02:36:25 hmm 02:37:41 Eugenius: I think this goes beyond my scarce FFI knowledge. Try sending a message to squeak-dev. 02:38:08 OK, thanks anyway :-) 03:06:12 --- join: llama32 (n=zak@075.a.001.beg.iprimus.net.au) joined #squeak 03:06:54 can squeak be run on mac without installing as admin? 03:09:08 Yip 03:09:50 --- quit: Hamled ("Leaving") 03:12:10 [assuming that was a yes], kickarse! 03:14:35 --- join: Lethalman (n=lethalma@host212-8.pool876.interbusiness.it) joined #squeak 03:21:29 --- join: gilrandir (n=gilrandi@flora.fi.muni.cz) joined #squeak 03:38:52 fffffff i don't why my plugin isn't recognized anymore 03:46:40 --- join: tokenrov1 (n=julian@202.46.231.250) joined #squeak 03:46:40 --- quit: tokenrove (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:04:52 squeak doesn't start anymore lol 04:04:54 oh god! 04:33:00 --- quit: llama32 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:43:26 --- quit: aweil () 04:46:01 --- join: Metalman (n=lethalma@host98-8.pool876.interbusiness.it) joined #squeak 04:47:34 --- quit: Lethalman (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04:50:22 i've problems with recompiling the VM 04:50:22 --- nick: Metalman -> Lethalman 04:52:04 configure doesn't recognize some plugins 04:52:11 like AioPlugin, UnixOSProcess 04:52:14 ecc. 05:14:57 ok all right, but now i get a black screen 05:15:16 i think i've done a clean installation 05:29:24 :'( 05:31:44 --- quit: Eugenius () 05:41:42 --- join: jewel (i=jewel@203.156.28.228) joined #squeak 05:48:08 jewel: can i ask you a VM compilation problem? 06:17:01 --- join: cnantais (n=cnantais@lan01.wavedirect.ADSL.mnsi.net) joined #squeak 06:28:38 --- quit: cnantais () 06:48:22 --- join: joe_k (i=joe@adsl-65-67-81-98.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) joined #squeak 06:50:08 I just installed a fresh Squeak 3.9-7035 image and Seaside from squeakmap (on win32)... 06:50:39 where might I go to diagnose this MessageNotUnderstood when accessing localhost/seaside/config 06:50:45 MessageNotUnderstood: Utilities class>>vmStatisticsReportString 06:58:56 --- part: Lethalman left #squeak 07:06:45 --- join: cnantais (n=cnantais@wdirect2.ADSL.mnsi.net) joined #squeak 07:08:15 --- join: jecel (n=jecel@200-206-134-137.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined #squeak 07:13:06 joe_k: using the "message names" tool in this Squeak 3.8 image I typed "statistics" and found two implementors of #vmStatisticsReportString 07:13:50 one in Utilities class and the other in SmalltalkImage. It might be that in 3.9 the first was eliminated 07:16:01 yes, the first method starts with self deprecated: 'Use SmalltalkImage current vmStatisticsReportString' 07:33:50 --- quit: cnantais () 07:36:01 thanks! 07:41:46 --- quit: matley (Remote closed the connection) 08:23:28 --- join: s1 (n=simon@santamonica-cuda4-69-169-78-79.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #squeak 08:24:23 --- nick: s1 -> sm 08:25:40 hi all 08:27:18 hey sm 08:47:11 --- quit: gilrandir ("Ex-Chat") 09:20:01 --- join: sc0tty_ (n=yann@penarvir.univ-brest.fr) joined #squeak 09:23:23 --- join: gilrandir (n=gilrandi@67-41-207-85.morava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz) joined #squeak 09:43:35 --- join: Craig (n=craig@c-71-198-187-250.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #squeak 09:43:49 hi 09:45:48 --- quit: sc0tty_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:48:14 --- quit: Skal (Remote closed the connection) 09:49:18 --- join: Gniarf (i=gniarf@gniarf.net1.nerim.net) joined #squeak 10:23:57 --- quit: bit` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:01:31 --- join: EsotericMoniker (n=dkoontz@63.110.36.250) joined #squeak 11:19:47 --- join: Robert (n=robert@unaffiliated/robert) joined #squeak 11:40:37 --- quit: Craig (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:41:18 --- join: Craig (n=craig@c-71-198-187-250.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #squeak 11:45:42 I found some nice statistics in "Bits of History", which made me wonder if anyone has any information about how common objects of different sizes are. 11:46:09 --- quit: sm () 11:46:49 Robert: there is probably a tool that shows you that for your image 11:48:19 I'm actually not a squeak user, but I thought that someone in here might have some references, or even a tool like you describe. 11:49:39 Craig has some numbers on his site for the very small images he produced, but they are not typical of a regular Squeak image 11:50:17 http://netjam.org/spoon/viz 11:50:25 http://netjam.org/spoon/smallest 11:50:33 Thanks. 11:50:35 sure 11:52:34 Robert: I see a class named SpaceTally that probably does what you want 12:05:27 --- join: Natacha (i=gniarf@gniarf.net1.nerim.net) joined #squeak 12:05:50 --- quit: Gniarf (Connection timed out) 12:06:54 --- nick: Natacha -> Gniarf 12:11:08 yeah, produces reports like http://netjam.org/spoon/space.txt 12:15:32 Ah, thanks. :) 12:35:44 --- join: Lethalman (n=lethalma@host151-8.pool876.interbusiness.it) joined #squeak 13:03:43 --- quit: cDlm ("z") 14:05:09 --- quit: Craig () 14:06:13 --- part: Robert left #squeak 14:33:03 --- join: rev (n=rev@68-112-164-75.dhcp.dlth.mn.charter.com) joined #squeak 14:46:32 --- join: Craig (n=craig@c-71-198-187-250.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #squeak 15:05:38 --- part: Lethalman left #squeak 15:18:12 --- join: wBryce (n=bryce@kampjes.demon.co.uk) joined #squeak 15:19:56 gcorriga: hi 15:21:39 Unfortunately, I'm not going to Cagliari this time. I've decided to be responsible, and I'm a little afraid of the root canal appointment on Monday. 15:22:19 It's the second appointment, and after the first my tooth got infected and very uncomfortable. 15:22:46 So while everything should be fine, this time I'll be quiet just in case. 15:24:00 too bad. 15:24:32 Sorry. 15:24:48 But maybe next time... 15:24:57 yes. 15:25:08 two lessons from this: choose a better connected place 15:25:25 and choose the cheap season ;) 15:25:50 Well, Cagliari could be a very cool venue. Just play to it's strengths. 15:26:09 It's cheap, and looks like a fun place to be. 15:26:18 oh, it is. 15:26:28 while it's small, it's quite lively. 15:26:55 but july and august are both hot and high season. 15:27:10 The big thing is getting a few people committed to going early who'll say they'll be there. 15:28:01 and we had Cees, but then he got a new job. 15:28:05 Or having a lot of locals. The London party was done with locals. Brussels was having enough name people going that other people decided to go too. 15:28:56 I went to Brussels to meet Cees and Goran. That was enough to justify the trip. 15:30:41 I think there are as many smalltalkers in London as in Italy ;) 15:31:22 London is a big place with very good transport links. OK, it's expensive, but it's easy to get to cheaply. 15:31:28 yup 15:31:44 how many were you in Brussels and London? 15:31:48 I'd try for a 3 day thing in a place like Cagliari. 15:32:03 About 15 in each. 15:32:43 So a few people are there for a while with a big day with many people. 15:33:00 damn, someone vandalized the Smalltalk Party wiki page. 15:33:41 I think we had about 16 in Brussels and 20 in London. But we had 5 APLers at the London meet, they were the people that Ralph Johnson said were worth reading. 15:34:43 there are some from the local LUG (and JUG) who are interested in partecipating. 15:35:21 gcorriga: If I had a laptop, I'd probably have gone, but I'm buying one with my redundancy money now I've got a new job to go too. 15:36:11 wBryce: I was planning to give a quick talk next Monday to introduce my fellow LUGers to Smalltalk. 15:36:40 I could move it to Saturday as the first talk, before the "formal" beginning of the party. 15:37:59 gcorriga: It may be worthwhile doing it at the party, especially if the LUGers go. 15:39:08 It depends on the party. Both Brussels and London got a bit bogged down with talks, but if you've got more time to mess around on laptops and play then it could work well. 15:44:23 wBryce: we could always propose for the 2007 esug conference ;) 15:45:36 --- quit: jecel (Remote closed the connection) 15:45:44 You could. 15:46:08 Or just organise a sprint for a project then build a party around that. 15:50:59 --- join: efc (i=efc@dialup-4.88.7.67.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined #squeak 15:53:08 goodnight 15:53:18 --- quit: wBryce ("[BX] Tony the Tiger uses BitchX. Its Grrrrrrrrreat!") 15:59:10 night 16:18:43 --- quit: gcorriga (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:31:50 --- join: bradfuller (i=brad@70.89.159.73) joined #squeak 16:32:29 --- part: bradfuller left #squeak 16:47:45 --- quit: efc ("Knowing when to leave may be the smartest thing anyone can learn.") 18:06:41 --- part: EsotericMoniker left #squeak 18:31:24 --- join: urbanmonkey (n=rom@CPE000d88875ef6-CM00e06f16a5cc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #squeak 18:48:52 --- part: Gniarf left #squeak 18:51:24 --- nick: tokenrov1 -> tokenrove 19:14:42 --- quit: gilrandir (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19:47:52 --- join: gnaritas (n=rjl@ip68-2-95-214.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #squeak 19:48:27 hi, anyone use squeak SoapCore against .Net web services? 19:58:23 --- quit: gnaritas (Remote closed the connection) 20:20:04 --- quit: bmp () 20:26:02 --- join: dagnachew (n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined #squeak 20:26:36 --- part: catch23 left #squeak 20:32:42 --- quit: dagnachew ("Leaving") 20:56:57 --- quit: rev (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:58:37 --- join: catch23 (n=catch23@c-67-191-252-3.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined #squeak 21:01:46 --- join: efc (n=eddie@dialup-4.154.90.37.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined #squeak 21:50:20 --- join: skew (n=brandonm@ppp-71-130-169-202.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined #squeak 21:53:05 hey, should running "Transcript show: 1 asString" give some backtrace about SmallInteger not being indexable? 22:08:12 it doesn't for me 22:10:43 I got the 3.8 debian packages from squeak.org, and I haven't tried to fiddle with any system classes. 22:19:56 --- quit: efc (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: skew (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: urbanmonkey (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: Eripmav (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: duncanm (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: cmeme (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: joe_k (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: eno-away (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: _rh (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: lisppaste (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: Jim7J1AJH (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: catch23 (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: Chaku (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: JKnecht (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:57 --- quit: Berg_x2 (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:57 --- quit: minerale (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:57 --- quit: tokenrove (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:57 --- quit: Arixx (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:57 --- quit: Keithy (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:57 --- quit: Nargg (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:57 --- join: skew (n=brandonm@ppp-71-130-169-202.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: efc (n=eddie@dialup-4.154.90.37.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: catch23 (n=catch23@c-67-191-252-3.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: urbanmonkey (n=rom@CPE000d88875ef6-CM00e06f16a5cc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: joe_k (i=joe@adsl-65-67-81-98.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: tokenrove (n=julian@202.46.231.250) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: Eripmav (i=Eripmav@unaffiliated/eripmav) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: duncanm (n=duncan@home.a-chinaman.com) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: Jim7J1AJH (n=jim@221x115x224x2.ap221.ftth.ucom.ne.jp) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: _rh (i=rh@147.175.8.9) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: eno-away (n=eno@adsl-70-137-145-23.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: lisppaste (n=lisppast@common-lisp.net) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: JKnecht (n=daughert@commoditysoftware.org) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: Keithy (n=chatzill@ACD6F505.ipt.aol.com) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: Arixx (n=server@host69-239.pool80104.interbusiness.it) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: Berg_x2 (n=berg@203-206-41-26.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: minerale (n=minerale@about/cooking/alfredo/Minerale) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: Nargg (n=norgg@80-192-22-3.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #squeak 22:19:57 --- join: Chaku (n=chaokuo@pool-71-240-66-14.pitt.east.verizon.net) joined #squeak 22:19:58 hmm, weird, don't remember that with 3.8 22:19:58 Killing my squeak.image, it seems to work now 22:19:58 no idea how I managed to break that 22:20:09 I just grabbed squeak, and a pdf overview/tutorial of morphic, and I'm seeing what I can do 22:23:55 --- part: skew left #squeak 22:55:43 --- join: aweil (n=aweil@201.255.11.110) joined #squeak 23:50:02 --- join: SJCE (n=SJCE@nvregio-0.dsl.vianetworks.nl) joined #squeak 23:54:30 --- join: asrail (n=Asrail@20132221213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined #squeak 23:54:36 Hi all... 23:55:12 Is there any link pointing how to define a Squeak Smalltalk class in a plain text file? 23:55:54 I only found places teaching how to define a class using the Squeak environment. 23:56:42 A different approach would be: can I use a editor better than the Squeak one to program in Squeak Smalltalk? 23:59:59 --- log: ended squeak/06.06.22